有奖征答

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-24 13:57:48

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6999999949999923799977995231011058994299509982994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 这是裘望禹老师赠送象棋资料中的散页，裘望禹拟局。今天翻找资料时看到，我很感兴趣。特发帖作有奖佂答，第一位答对者，赠送由裘望禹老师签字盖章《傅荣年全集》一本。

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-24 16:21:50

此局很不错！

1963 · 发表于 2009-10-24 16:32:03

不知对不对。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6999999949999923799977995231011058994299509982994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]696082607770608270404260314147484048384849395852234452584436483839495856364856584836585636483848494856464838464179595040595741015747014147414041[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment36]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment36] [/DhtmlXQ]

hzsjy · 发表于 2009-10-24 16:40:27

呵呵：电脑解的： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]bvcb[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6923999949999999797799011031529940994299509982995899993847999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]696082607770608270404260314147484048384849395852234452584436483839495856414050517971515236445242717856464959464478384454385854585958[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1]568678724241495986895958898858578887575838485848878472528444485841405251[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_2]36483848494856464838464179595040595741315737313738374041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_2] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-24 17:05:10

还没有发现九九红兵的妙用? [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6999999949999923799977995231011058994299509982994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]696042607770604270404260314147484048384849395852234452584436483839495856414050517971515236445242717856464959464478384454385854585958[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]775747575251505131414041696151506141574741425848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_2]52574425575625175657172557562517565717255755253755573725575625175657172557582517585717255758251758571725[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_3]36483848494856464838464179774101774701023848024247426042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4]38487872424172714140443240301020[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35][DhtmlXQ_comment33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33][DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32][DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]黑长要杀,须主动变着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_39][DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12] [/DhtmlXQ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-24 17:08:16

呵呵，以上解法黑方都可以取胜，所以我说此局不错。

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-24 17:08:52

我解了半个小时,大家早已把答案贴出,哈哈

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-24 17:44:42

可以保留中卒? [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6999999949999923799977995231011058994299509982994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6960426077706042704042603141384849395852233552583527483839494737[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]775747575251505131414041696151506141574741425848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_14_2]52574425575625175657172557562517565717255755253755573725575625175657172557582517585717255758251758571725[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_14_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_3]36483848494856464838464179774101774701023848024247426042[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_4]38487872424172714140443240301020[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]黑长要杀,须主动变着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_5]47484048384849395852234452584436483839495856414050517971515236445242717856464959464478384454385854585958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_5] [/DhtmlXQ]

hzsjy · 发表于 2009-10-24 18:58:20

嗯：如此局是黑胜则玩笑有点大？？？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]bvcb[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6923999949999999797799011031529940994299509982995899993847999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]69608260777060827040426031413848493958522335525835274838394947372708604208295857413182607969426431416042415157516989514189595040595342604959414959583848294849485859484959583738[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_1]234247374151504042214030102030315141314179715251213341402030403071513738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2]47484048384849395852234452584436483839495856414050517971515236445242717856464959464478384454385854585958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_26_3]568678724241495986895958898858578887575838485848878472528444485841405251[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_26_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_19_4]36483848494856464838464179595040595741315737313738374041[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_19_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]2342604240475852314152574748575879708260[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]1020585240475258797082607060426047435848[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_7]234240425251585131414748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8]775747575251505131414041696151506141584849595758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]52515051314140416961515061604260[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment44]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_18]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_8]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_8] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-24 20:49:08

晚饭后上华工，诸棋友很热情，大家继续努力，有些走法丰富了该局内容，我将在佂答结束后进行全面整理，转告裘老师。

邪之牙 · 发表于 2009-10-24 20:49:29

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承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-24 20:56:36

朋友，继续努力

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-24 21:16:21

呵呵，11楼黑方长杀，还差一点点就是正解之一了。

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-24 21:28:48

此局变化较复杂，诸友群策群力，电脑+人脑，看看多长时间找出正解。

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-24 21:31:08

正解在2楼回贴时就已经找到，应该不会错。

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-24 21:43:35

15# yjr123 我估计余先生已经找到，可以将最后10个回合发站内消息我处

邪之牙 · 发表于 2009-10-24 23:43:46

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yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-25 07:21:05

楼上第15回合马七进六、兵六平五、马六退七则又回到11楼局面。

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-25 08:28:17

18# yjr123 大家继续努力。无论余先生答案正确与否，棋友们在帖子中的答案如正确，1楼主贴承诺仍然有效。

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-25 12:14:52

高先生认为我的答案还不是正解，大家继续努力！

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-25 16:15:08

余老师的答案应该这样的: [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6999999949999923799977995231011058994299509982994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]696042607770604270404260234447484048384849395857525157513141515844364838394958564140505179715152364452427178564649594644783844495958494438374454375754575857[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1]36483848494856464838464179774101774701023848024247426042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_1] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/thread-24300-1-1.html[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ] 还是没有发现九九红兵的妙用?

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-25 17:04:21

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承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-25 17:28:18

本帖最后由承云医疾于 2009-10-25 18:04 编辑 22# 凌云子 裘望禹老师原局着法如下(裘老师兵五进一的变化在注解中，马六退五红方主动，我未掌握帖子变化方法，显示不出，请谅解）。凌云子将答案主着法列在变化中（基本精神相同）这是一份最佳答卷。余先生答卷最快，仅花了2个半小时就找出答案，我真佩服。昨晚我儿子用电脑，余先生将主着法站内消息传我，今天早晨看到，有些字句我有疏漏，歉甚。二位赠书另外联系。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7999999949999923699977995231011058998299509942994099999999993847[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]696042607770604270404260234447484048384849395857525157513141515844364838394958563648565848365853364853584836585636483848494856464838464179095040090741310737313738374041[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/redirect.php%3Ftid%3D24300%26goto%3Dlastpost[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-25 17:39:19

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-25 18:49:52

本帖最后由凌云子于 2009-10-25 19:24 编辑 23# 承云医疾 <套子百局谱>刚收到正在学习中,又赠书! 说真的,实在惭愧! 是大家共研的结果,特别是余老师的一再提醒,最后是按余老师的思路入局的. 20楼余老师提示他的答案非正解,还是试拟一下变化........ 在22楼发现第7回合将6进1,另有精彩和法. 又在24楼发现第8回合红马五退六也和. 遗憾的是始终没有没有发现九九红兵的妙用??? 如果此兵没有作用,似应去掉!!

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-25 19:22:46

我的解答和21楼基本一样，不过我认为红方马六退五并不见得主动，被黑方直接兑子简化，作为一个变化放在注解中比较合适。没有九九红兵则第4回合红方又多出一路马七进五和棋，降低了棋局难度。

yjr123 · 发表于 2009-10-25 19:29:43

23楼公布的着法有问题，黑方12回合车６退５是败着，给红方巧胜机会。

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-10-25 19:40:31

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doublegbh · 发表于 2009-10-25 19:48:09

本帖最后由 doublegbh 于 2009-10-26 09:18 编辑 1# 承云医疾 参与一下。 1.车三进九象９退７ 2.炮二进七象７进９ 3.炮二平五象５退７(此时，黑不能吃炮，否则，红兵六进一再马七进五可形成连杀。） 4.兵六平五卒５进１ 5.炮五退八卒４平５ 6.帅五平六车６退６ 7.马七退五车６进６ 8.马五退六卒５平４ 9.帅六平五（车六腿二，马六退五，车六进二,马五进六，黑动车，则为长叫杀，是要变招的。）象７进５ 10.兵九平八此后，黑动左象，红则平兵，动车则马在五六路循环，直至平兵将死黑方。其实，兵八平七更直接。另外,红不可轻易车二进九,否则就输了.还有，如果不飞象黑吃五路马，可以和。

承云医疾 · 发表于 2009-10-25 20:44:45

29# doublegbh 欢迎各位棋友参与。第7着红如改走兵六平五，黑卒4平5，变化结果黑胜，请研究凌云子先生的几个帖子。

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