诸葛借箭巧添卒

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-9 18:41:44

近日研究此局感觉黑巧胜。

小橘梅 · 发表于 2009-1-16 09:35:37

3·8位黒卒怎么隐去啦？31回合兵六平七后，第32回合红方应帅六退一！

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667 · 发表于 2009-1-16 12:03:08

小橘梅好久不见啊

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-16 22:49:03

3·8位黒卒怎么隐去啦？31回合兵六平七后，第32回合红方应帅六退一！ ? [/quote] 好久不见

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-17 12:03:30

谢谢yjr123的更正！

请问余先生黑卒是如何补上去，真神奇！

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-17 12:20:13

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歆滿樓主 · 发表于 2009-1-17 15:24:31

　　似乎应说：3.9位黑卒吧？

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-17 16:37:34

? 　　似乎应说：3.9位黑卒吧？ ?

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zhaodi · 发表于 2009-1-17 17:24:14

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-17 18:27:39

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zhaodi · 发表于 2009-1-17 23:25:49

10楼的着法里面有很多废步,是软件走的吧? 同时,没有回答我的局面下双方攻防.

凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-18 08:10:30

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-18 08:29:06

我用过巫师，但着法与软件不相干。

只是有关车高兵对车低卒单士的定式残局，现在手头没有相关的资料，如屠景明先生编著的《象棋实用残局》。

我记得飞虎抗潜龙的结尾也是这种残局。

赵老师没有列出着法，我还不知道求和的妙着所在望指点。

歆滿樓主 · 发表于 2009-1-18 15:57:23

　　第46回合黑卒5平4不够精细，应立即走卒5平6，以后靠主将之力逼帅，可较快获胜。

歆滿樓主 · 发表于 2009-1-18 16:08:36

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-18 16:27:00

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凌云子 · 发表于 2009-1-31 15:28:45

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凌云子 · 发表于 2011-10-9 18:15:19

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沉默 · 发表于 2011-10-11 07:11:47

第10回合走车六进二将军，再走车六退六会如何呢？

沉默 · 发表于 2011-10-11 07:19:34

孔明借箭之1.8位黑卒，几年前都在这里研究讨论过，本人几个月前还在苦思探索其着法，惭愧

沉默 · 发表于 2011-10-11 20:31:18

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沉默 · 发表于 2011-10-11 20:32:31

和棋红胜

凌云子 · 发表于 2011-10-12 16:32:46

孔明借箭之1.8位黑卒，几年前都在这里研究讨论过，本人几个月前还在苦思探索其着法，惭愧
沉默发表于 2011-10-11 07:19

http://www.zychess.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=5452

沉默 · 发表于 2011-10-13 14:04:15

谢谢凌云子孔明借箭不管黑卒1.8位还是1.7位现在都可以确认为黑胜

凌云子 · 发表于 2022-6-8 21:39:46

先顶起！

智弈网的研究已经看不到，当年的华工网对此局探讨的人不多。

凌云子 · 发表于 2022-6-8 22:05:00

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... &extra=page%3D1

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