自己修改的秀钟山岳（红先和）

fanren

自己修改的秀钟山岳（红先和）

fanren

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老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2022-5-30 16:03
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结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“伴食持危”至今仍未找到。为此，本人专门购来早年台湾版本的《适情雅趣》，即1983年徐家亮《象棋古谱杀法集锦-适情雅趣》，但未见此局。据说台湾文少可《象棋新编》有“伴食持危”局，陈兄能否帮查一下此谱对此局的介绍？谢谢！

yjr123

老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局？

老鸽子

yjr123 发表于 2022-5-30 20:41
你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局？

是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的，大意是：《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。

yjr123

老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 20:47
是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的，大意是：《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。

不必当真，可能是他记错了。

聨吟客

哦  可能真的是我記錯了  我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤  不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上也有收錄伴食持危局  說出自象棋新編  取材自江湖秘譜  
至於是哪一本江湖秘譜沒有交代

象棋新編我也沒見過  一無所知

石川铃华老湿

老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

这局我也改过，不知道扔在哪里了`
差不多也一样简洁

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fanren 发表于 2022-5-30 11:41

可以投稿百27

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正确的来说我是修改龙虎斗（黑胜局）改和
在原局龙虎斗中七路多加了一个七七红兵成和


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老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2022-5-30 22:50
哦  可能真的是我記錯了  我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤  不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上 ...

《江湖秘谱》就是余老师所列清单中的那一项，是晚清或民初手抄本，现代排局家一般认为它选自《蕉竹斋》。1976年魏子丹、丁章照、杨明忠将各种版本的《蕉竹斋》以及《江湖秘谱》，合并为《蕉竹斋汇编》。《蕉竹斋》原谱只有97局，合编后增至114局，实际增加17局。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]許多年前曾經見到台北市西門町的一個江湖棋攤擺這樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_10]同主變[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20] 變化複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]變化複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]變化複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_37]形成炮相底兵和馬卒?[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_42]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_19]變化複雜,似黑優?[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]抽車黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment32]黑方長殺求變,待研...[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_28] 黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]
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类似局大多啦~~

石川铃华老湿

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这种局，大湿肯定知道，聨吟客会插一腿的~~~~
果不其然 一搜同类局，马上出现~

聨吟客

19樓有誤   此局應黑可勝  我之後的研究不知貼在哪裡了

11樓局我改的  但局名  還有右側的文字   不是我弄的  不知是誰弄的  呵呵呵呵呵  只要有我名字就都行

11樓是把鍾若文書上的局面再加邊兵  鍾書上的局也是黑勝

邢春波

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 5&fromuid=44188

奇蹟三號

台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

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奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

这个加的红兵似乎没有意义，江湖局一般都是黑方可变之处越多越好，减少黑方变化是哪个意思？

凌云子

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》，现在买不到了。
此图势在《象棋新编》一书是如何介绍的？
可否分享一二，谢谢！