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石川铃华老湿

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 马躍寒溪 大湿(黃茜)拟改[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]大湿[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]大湿拟创[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]853536358434503141313040344440504448353948495758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]84343634414030408545403088805071454857585958345476565456[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_1]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_11_3]48583439[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_11_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_11_4]59493439[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_11_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]504285353635843435348880[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_7]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]平后车将军也可以[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]444340304348575859583656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_7]48583639[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_8]59493639[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_9]485843357077354785804041584847664838464838394849393866587747494780304707[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_13]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]正解[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]准备马5进4的连续将军绝杀||又或者马5退3将军抽車[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_23_10]38376645[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_23_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_27_11]77374909[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_27_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_19_14]775747395859464959584969[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_19_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_19_12]888947665859667859584648[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_19_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_21_13]77674656[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_21_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_17_15]8555473958574648[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_17_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_16]8555354755504041505141425857473970404666[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_20_17]41408880[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_20_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_19_23_18]58574647[/DhtmlXQ_move_19_23_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_21_19]7071476658594649[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_21_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_23_20]8848464870404858[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_23_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_21_21]5848476648384636[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_21_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_26]585946495958352770772739774749475859475788585758[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_22]88873547855547395857464855504041505141425141424170504868[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_15_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_19_23]585946495958498958578987[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_19_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_24]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_24_24]41408780[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_24_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_17_25]875747395859464959584989[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_17_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_23]无论进帅或退帅，都是車5平6绝杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_26_21_27]8535494858594858[/DhtmlXQ_move_26_21_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_26_21_28]5857495988585958[/DhtmlXQ_move_26_21_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_26_19_29]8535273507254989[/DhtmlXQ_move_26_19_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_19]也可以这样弃車去垂死挣扎[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]丟炮||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_29_21_30]888735568767563767474947[/DhtmlXQ_move_29_21_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_30_23_31]0725567758574959[/DhtmlXQ_move_30_23_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]正解[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]行棋至此，已经“脱帽”（重要应着），现是双方拼实力的较量。||||拦住，准备平車将军杀棋||||另：马5进7或退7似乎都还可以去研究。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_32]707755673839464939386759774749473839473788383738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_15]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_32_21_33]7778490938370907[/DhtmlXQ_move_32_21_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_34]383946493938556770776759[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_15]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_34_19_36]886867463837465837384939[/DhtmlXQ_move_34_19_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_34_19_35]888967463837465837384939[/DhtmlXQ_move_34_19_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_20]复杂[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_22]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_43_22_38]462785454050383727084546493988383949474808270725[/DhtmlXQ_move_43_22_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_43_22_37]49478848[/DhtmlXQ_move_43_22_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_33]复杂||红略优[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_38_26_39]49398838271907293949452550404745494638184636374736161858161747481727253527574547192735372715290715364849362458592416371757565958[/DhtmlXQ_move_38_26_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_39_30_40]3929455550403848[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_30_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_47]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_47]
[DhtmlXQ_move_39_44_41]2729454619273537[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_44_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_34_20_43]67467747466785454050888767594748596745434948434867483848[/DhtmlXQ_move_34_20_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_20]黑胜||||红守不住了[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_44]5536707146568737[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_16]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_17]退炮准备下步进車将军，又进炮将军，再車平中将军抽車[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_19]很复杂||||红优[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]正解[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_46]4364858764768737768807254648383948787077[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_46]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_45]436270774648383948477771473788383747388847378838377785454050712177794549797749897727895950405949405049426274394927213858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_47]4636773734263839364637274649393826072729072629272607888940418781414081874041274707264727[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]推荐[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_48]383748473738342638394749[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_19]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_49]3837465837384939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_23]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_50]49398838271907293949877740413888493988383949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_26]也可以[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_36]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]推荐[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_51]394987474929385829263738263647373646374746472547[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_32]值得选择[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_33]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_42]
[DhtmlXQ_move_57_35_52]38282928878228268242405047255648250726363747486707255051424436394464674647484627484739494737514164682719[/DhtmlXQ_move_57_35_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_52_47_53]4645675947483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_52_47_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_48]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_52_48_54]6746[/DhtmlXQ_move_52_48_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_48]速胜走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_62]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_62]
[DhtmlXQ_move_52_51_55]464539194737674644545141374719494737462537384945[/DhtmlXQ_move_52_51_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_60]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_60]
[DhtmlXQ_move_52_60_56]4939683841403839273937383918254718263848264748494050[/DhtmlXQ_move_52_60_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_64]也是黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_72]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_72]
[DhtmlXQ_move_51_33_57]2547492938482926878040418030262737382747[/DhtmlXQ_move_51_33_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_33]正解[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_42]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_42]
[DhtmlXQ_move_51_35_58]38482927373827472547564846484050[/DhtmlXQ_move_51_35_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_43]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]推荐[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_59]564883434050435350402507486946476977534340504749282737382707494807064353504053577785574740503839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_36_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]要好一点[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]红太危险了||||必须要走对才行！[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_50]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_50]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_60]282537472527353727214353215153515051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_60]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_61]2627373869573848573648382707434607063839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]红方位置佳，基本可顶和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]
[DhtmlXQ_move_61_52_62]361738481729353907574647575848495856474050514047290847415150414708163938[/DhtmlXQ_move_61_52_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_69]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_64]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_64]
[DhtmlXQ_move_65_59_63]565059785747786650563836[/DhtmlXQ_move_65_59_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_45]和局。||||和？黑还有机会的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_80]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_80]
[DhtmlXQ_move_65_77_64]3848557668663936[/DhtmlXQ_move_65_77_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_78]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_41]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_59_41_65]37474867475728254649252757582728585767595343403043463031465628384940313040493839564659674666677949487987668639594858877986885939583879678868675568663938[/DhtmlXQ_move_59_41_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_59]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_51]防止黑車平中杀炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_53]红必胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_53]
[DhtmlXQ_move_39_52_67]57583736[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_52_67]
[DhtmlXQ_move_47_23_42]3747464787472647[/DhtmlXQ_move_47_23_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_28]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_39]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_18]易和[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_47_28_66]492987474050384829594707[/DhtmlXQ_move_47_28_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_23]速和[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_57]红大优[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71]差不多和了。||黑拿红方已经没啥办法||，可以顶到自然限着和掉。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_move_46_17_69]383946493938494838397688072548582547886987676948393858786765486738397879393879773839[/DhtmlXQ_move_46_17_69]
[DhtmlXQ_move_46_17_68]07254636873776573839363788383738[/DhtmlXQ_move_46_17_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_23]好和些[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_17]也可以[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_31]
[DhtmlXQ_move_69_28_70]6957676040416050[/DhtmlXQ_move_69_28_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_17]推荐[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]复杂…||双方还得漫长战斗下去。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_14]也可以[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_46_15_71]853546483839484939386445[/DhtmlXQ_move_46_15_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_15]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_19]盯住马的行动！马一但走开会被连将抽車的棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_33]红胜||||没必要再演练下去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_45_20_72]47078545405039490757888057534540505140605343493943836062[/DhtmlXQ_move_45_20_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_45_28_73]40303949[/DhtmlXQ_move_45_28_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_45_32_74]794939496254494854463837[/DhtmlXQ_move_45_32_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_49]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_49]
[DhtmlXQ_move_45_34_75]7707898050513831515280820767316167373949374749395242826242416232[/DhtmlXQ_move_45_34_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_43]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_45_38_76]62413848413348583341494527215851[/DhtmlXQ_move_45_38_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_45]黑丟马||||红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_14]这样走可能是红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]双方的选择点多！一时还找不出易和的局面来，还得尽量走出易和的路局面来才行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
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关于这局，大湿有些问题问一下你们 老鸽子 聨吟客 余老~~~`

1:  大湿在发贴时说了 开创了车炮守和车马的局，我想问一下，你们见过古谱江湖局有车炮守和车马的局吗？（你们比大湿见多识广）
2：关于局名，大湿还是觉得马跃檀溪较好！当时不假思考就取了驷马奔腾！脱离了古谱的联系！惭愧！
      不如叫马跃檀溪大湿版加与区别，如何？当然怎么取名那是你们的事。在这里大湿只是提个建议！
3：《七星聚会》车兵对攻车卒称之王，《大征西》车炮守和车炮卒被称之为王中王，那我这局如何称呼？登峰造极吗？
4：  一点趣事，大家以后介绍这局可能用到。大湿相信这局必定流传千年！
     很多都认为我这局是乱摆，一不小心摆出来，在这里我和他们说，那是错的。大湿老早就有拟创超越大征西想法！
  （相信每个拟江湖局的人都有这个想法过）大湿早期思路被困于，车炮卒对攻车炮思路，当时觉得车炮兵分枝多【大湿改过大征西】。
     所以就拼了命往那方面弄结果！结果都不尽人意！
    关于这局，你们还得感谢，我那个《野马耕田》还没有拟创出来！
  （大湿曾下决心无论如何也要弄个马兵相巧和局出来，高中时想法，直到成功，间隔了有二十几年了。
    虽然最早那本百局谱被我妈烧了，但这局分枝结果印象很深刻！）这局《马跃檀溪》就是快要拟创《野马耕田》快成功时拟出来的！
    大湿一拟出野马耕田，对象棋竟然有点索然无味之感。可以这么说，这局是野马耕田的伴生品！
（大湿曾在2016年象吧发贴时说，大湿创作路上死于野马操田）
   我也记得我曾在华工发贴说，要把我没发表的作品卖了，换点钱去日本会会石川铃华，可惜没有人买！

老鸽子

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石川铃华老湿

老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-18 01:43

我是在问残局后期，有没有车炮守和车马的

老鸽子

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-4-18 01:52
我是在问残局后期，有没有车炮守和车马的

古谱里未见有，现代即便有也是分出胜负的，没有和局的。

dave7788

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dave7788

着法：红先和
  1. 炮二进六   马６进４
  2. 兵五进一   将４平５
  3. 前车平五① 马４进５②
  4. 车五退四   卒６进１
  5. 帅四平五   卒６平５
  6. 帅五进一   车４平５
  7. 相七进五③ 马５退７④
  8. 炮一平九   车５进１
  9. 帅五平六   车５进１
10. 帅六退一   车５退２
11. 车一平六   车５平１
12. 车六平五   将５平６
13. 帅六平五   车１平６   14. 炮二平七   马７进８
15. 炮七退七   车６进３   16. 帅五进一   马８退６
17. 车五进五   将６进１   18. 车五退三   马６进７
19. 炮七平六   马７进８   20. 车五退四⑤ 马８退６
21. 帅五平六   车６退１   22. 帅六退一   将６退１
23. 车五进一   马６进５   24. 车五退一   马５退３⑥
25. 帅六平五   车６进１   26. 帅五进一   马３退４
27. 车五进二   车６退１   28. 帅五退一   马４进２
29. 炮六退一   车６退２   30. 帅五进一   马２退３
31. 车五进五   将６进１   32. 车五退七   马３进４
33. 炮六进一   车６进２   34. 帅五退一   马４进２
35. 炮六退二⑦ 车６退４   36. 车五进六   将６退１
37. 车五退五   车６进３   38. 帅五进一   马２退３
39. 车五退一   车６进１   40. 帅五退一   车６退２
41. 车五进七   将６进１   42. 车五退七   马３进２
43. 帅五进一   马２退４   44. 炮六进二   马４进２
45. 炮六退二   车６进２   46. 帅五退一   车６退２⑧
47. 帅五进一   马２退４⑨ 48. 炮六进二   马４退６
49. 车五进三   马６进８   50. 炮六退一   马８进６
51. 炮六进一   马６进７   52. 帅五平六   车６进２
53. 帅六退一   马７退６   54. 车五平四   将６平５
55. 炮六平五   车６进１   56. 帅六进一   马６进８
57. 车四退五   马８进６   58. 炮五退二   和局

dave7788

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邢春波

我有一局也是车炮守和车马，只是还没经过讨论不知道能不能成立

石川铃华老湿

dave7788 发表于 2022-4-18 09:40

添象加卒的马跃我听聨吟客说过，

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-4-18 11:05
添象加卒的马跃我听聨吟客说过，

很久以前是在廣東象棋網  有人說是在越南看到的  他還有貼棋攤照片

應該是鷹隼盤空局面(有雙相)刪一相添卒  不是添象  原局本身就有象

類似白老師那局但是3路高象  

聨吟客

以前大家討論的初步整理  我也是其中之一  最後不知誰做文字註解
但可能還有不少地方需修飾修正補充
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]据说有人在越南看到。||||本局是在《湖涯集》第14 局“马跳檀溪”的棋图中增加黑方边卒而成的，比原局深奥得多。||||||这局的结论尚不能定，还在讨论研究中[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]这是个新变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_54]红难和[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_1]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_5]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_21]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_7]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_56]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_44]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_52]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_27]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]这是非常复杂的一变[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_15]hanghang提供的着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_47]这样反而红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_28]如误走车8平5则炮九平五红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_32]不变和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]以下车炮对车马象和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]复杂局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]这样把局势复杂化了[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]这和第8回合直接走炮二退八的效果相同[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]这和炮二退八的效果相同[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]红必丢相且阵型不佳，处于下风[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]这样可能不好[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_22]这样速和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_36]红无法阻挡黑车马攻势，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_32]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_25]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_14]这变也复杂，不易对付[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]这样可能比较简明， 但红明显一直处于下风[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]因红要打车，所以黑必须立即解套。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]这是劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_21]这样黑白白让红调整了位置，显然不合算[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]强硬派的走法，认为黑边卒不足为虑，企图保留子力优势。实际变化红方不但没有优势，求和也难。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
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yjr123

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-4-18 01:52
我是在问残局后期，有没有车炮守和车马的

马跃檀溪 类局应该很多都是车炮VS车马

聨吟客

越南也流行江湖棋攤喔

呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

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邢春波 发表于 2022-4-18 10:55
我有一局也是车炮守和车马，只是还没经过讨论不知道能不能成立

那就弄来啊讨论啊，藏着有什么意思？

dave7788

越南棋摊的马跃檀溪，据说特级大师认为是黑胜。我琢磨很长时间也没找到红方求和的办法，估计是有一种变化为黑车马象胜红车炮的残局。

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dave7788 发表于 2022-4-18 09:40

当时我就对 聨吟客说了 马跃本来就红优，都可以添加子加以平横，但添子真不是大湿风格。

像这局，黑方可添棋子位置太多了

不知道为什么，大湿看见子多过原局的，很讨厌，立马扔掉的！

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sdndsx 发表于 2022-4-19 04:48

很早就了解这局了。
这局虽然少相了，但是也变味了！
而且这局的马被困在家守家，不算是车炮守和车马
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石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-4-19 05:04
很早就了解这局了。
这局虽然少相了，但是也变味了！
而且这局的马被困在家守家，不算是车炮守和车马:l ...

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喔   我都忘記了

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