《......鸿雁双飞》作者格物致知精神

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《......鸿雁双飞》作者格物致知精神 《江湖第一排局 鸿雁双飞》（简称“鸿雁”）最近在北京体育大学出版社出版，上中下三册，一千余页，书中凝聚王忠志先生20余年孜孜不倦的追求心血，作者诠注了13种诠注书籍中相关条文653处，我对该著作作者王忠志先生这种格物致知的精神，可谓是万分敬佩! 我抽看了几处，录如下： 一。《鸿雁》上册310页序号1，《象棋古谱残局诠证大全》（简称“大全”）第641页上数11行：炮4平8改走炮4平5，黑胜。见副图26-6第1着以后着法。 下图是《大全》641页附图2的黑先和走法（《江湖排局集成》（简称“集成”）497页副图1与该图完全相同） [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999079938996599999944999905417299999999309999999999269999583599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《大全》641页附图2（黑先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]10-10-2000[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]讲评: 龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_viewdate]2007-7-21 13:42:58[/DhtmlXQ_viewdate] [DhtmlXQ_remark]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_other]东萍个人棋谱仓库永久免费[/DhtmlXQ_other] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]26464434354541514666726266625141627205047276041476464151304014244676343176363134453565473676[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment23]以下走法略。《鸿雁》诠注改走炮4平5黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23] [/DhtmlXQ] 下图是“鸿雁”副图26-6的诠注着法： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999079938994799999934999924519999999999409999999999369999583599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《鸿雁》副图26-6（黑先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]10-10-2000[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]讲评: 龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_viewdate]2007-7-21 13:42:58[/DhtmlXQ_viewdate] [DhtmlXQ_remark]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_other]东萍个人棋谱仓库永久免费[/DhtmlXQ_other] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]364647654676344435362434767838393637394937383433787065477050516140413332503032224131[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [/DhtmlXQ] （待续）

yanyun

承云医疾

二。《鸿雁》上册309页，序号16，《象棋排局欣赏》（简称“欣赏”）157页上数6行：炮5进2改走卒5平4，黑胜。见副图8第3着以后着法。 下图是《欣赏》157页图3第二种走法： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999079938996599999944999905417299999999309999999999269999583599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《欣赏》142页图3第二种着法（黑先和）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]10-10-2000[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]讲评: 龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_viewdate]2007-7-21 13:42:58[/DhtmlXQ_viewdate] [DhtmlXQ_remark]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_other]东萍个人棋谱仓库永久免费[/DhtmlXQ_other] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]2666383766693747695944545949475758485444494472624446[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]以下着法略，《鸿雁》诠注该着应走卒5平4，黑方可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [/DhtmlXQ] 下图是《鸿雁》副图8的诠注着法： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999079957996599999944999905417299999999309999999999499999483599[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《鸿雁》副图8（黑先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_date]10-10-2000[/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place]重庆市巫山县[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]讲评: 龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]龚伟[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_viewdate]2007-7-21 13:42:58[/DhtmlXQ_viewdate] [DhtmlXQ_remark]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_other]东萍个人棋谱仓库永久免费[/DhtmlXQ_other] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]49447262483862524449525135455758454607294656515049445040444041403040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment17]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17] [/DhtmlXQ]

外星人乔丹

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zhaodi

高老师发此贴是认为王忠志老师研究的正确还是有误？

王老师的精神是令人感动，但我认为此书的结论有不少需要商榷的。
如第一楼帖子的诠正局，我发表一下我的看法，如有误或不当之处，请大家指正。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment21]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]？败着。应改走相九进七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]正着，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]如象正着一样兵六平五，将5平4，兵五平六，炮6平4，炮五平六，将4平5（因红相在中路，黑将可以进来），炮六进四，卒4平5，帅五平六，卒6进1黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
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yjr123

zhaodi 发表于 2014-3-25 21:32
高老师发此贴是认为王忠志老师研究的正确还是有误？

王老师的精神是令人感动，但我认为此书的结论有不少 ...

此变牵涉到棋规，第11回合黑方应将4平5，红方一将一杀，黑方一杀一闲，红方必须变着。

ymjily

此变牵涉到棋规，第11回合黑方应将4平5，红方一将一杀，黑方一杀一闲，红方必须变着。[/quote] 言之有理，的确如此

zhaodi

下册中的副图39和40，原谱着法有误。
我一般研究原谱是喜欢倒演，从后向前倒退着研究。
此图有两处错误，后半部红有胜招未走出，（黑走了劣着）
前半部黑有胜招未走出，（红走了劣着）
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原谱着法有误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]？改走炮五退四红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]原谱和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]
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承云医疾

下册中的副图39和40，原谱着法有误。 我一般研究原谱是喜欢倒演，从后向前倒退着研究。 此图有两处错误， ...[/quote] zhaodi先生的诠注精辟，今天早晨我与王忠志老师通电话，他表示对排局同仁感谢！下面是我对副图40其中的补充：（接第4回合红方改走相七退九的变化） [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259938994799998299335199999999999999409999999972993658999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]副图39-40[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]多结果[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]250772783839363782885859[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment6]再炮8进1黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1]394937478242474849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]绝杀黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhaodi

下册中的副图44，原谱着法有误。
黑有胜招未走出。

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zhaodi

下册中的副图35，原谱着法有误。
红有胜招未走出。（黑走了劣着）

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zhaodi

下册中的副图33，原谱注一着法有误。
红有胜招未走出。（黑走了劣着）

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]这是原谱中注①的第一种着法。原谱认为黑胜。但按谱着走应是红可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]？败。应炮2平6换兵，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]红走此招可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]原谱。向下演变为和棋。不录。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]
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下册中的副图44，原谱着法有误。 黑有胜招未走出。[/quote] 10楼赵先生诠注意见正确！使我想起儿时学象棋时老师教导：一方有杀对无杀，只要在保证自己安全情况之下，就要考虑如何去杀对方！补充另外一路取胜方法：（第12着黑方改走炮2退2） [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999079948996599999999145162999999999999429999999954992846999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]副图44红先和[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_author]将族[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]14245455243455153444151262611218484928380725181044341040515040103433424165871011616041513343465643535657876557586547384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]0725553565473532626146562423565723223236250757474858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_2]24342838484935454959465659495657343357583343423262523848[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_3]544448582838625242322434384858574440343332310725483865873848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]错局[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_2]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]原谱和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_owner]将族[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]181665871636876536356587354549593848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_20]黑方再平炮绝杀胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_20] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_17_5]617135456547464749594757594957587161384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_17_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]绝杀黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment10]至此，黑方有杀对无杀，只要运炮至5.6位，黑卒可以长驱直入取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [/DhtmlXQ]