一则斗车小局

chessbug · 发表于 2016-9-14 23:49:37

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请教此局可有出处？红能胜否？

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-9-15 02:02:21

用云庫解的, 呵呵呵, 剛好它會算這局, 亞洲規則和局, 大陸規則黑勝?

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chessbug · 发表于 2016-9-15 09:06:08

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 02:02
用云庫解的, 呵呵呵, 剛好它會算這局, 亞洲規則和局, 大陸規則黑勝?

陈老师，云库解法中有很多？？的，表示这路解法未知，所以还不能完全相信答案。

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chessbug · 发表于 2016-9-15 09:06:51

本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-9-15 13:20 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 02:02
用云庫解的, 呵呵呵, 剛好它會算這局, 亞洲規則和局, 大陸規則黑勝?

1、后车平五，将5平4；
2、车五平一，...
如果黑走车9平5，则应是红胜。
但黑如果走车9平7，红有无取胜之法？？？

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-9-15 09:37:25

我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 11:48:10

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 09:37
我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

收集残缺的不一定最好！收集透的才是最佳的走法。
一但进入残局库，基本上99%的第一个是最佳的走法。
而这个压根没地毯式收集起来，所以第一个的不一定是最好的！也有可能很一般。为什么呢？答：云库的开局库是经过长年累月做出来的，虽然这开局库算不上最好的，但已经够可以了。而云库的残局库也是经过长年累月做出来的，并且里面收集的残局库已达到了地毯式。注意的是：前面说的都是人为一歩步反复试验出来的！而云库有自动学习功能，所以除开局和残局库外也有的时候会遇到一些着法的，而这着法是自动学习得出来的着法！当人们不断用云库时，同样的局面被反复走过多次，并有一定好着法，所以云库会自动收集起来的。而云库自动收集的着法不一定是最好的着法，而是尽量接近最好的着法而已。同时云库有自动思考的引擎，这引擎给出来的着法也就是尽量接近最好的着法而已… 只要多给它点时间思考，那么欠缺会越来越少的。

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 11:52:06

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 09:37
我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

云库的计算引擎不是很好，所以思考出来的着法不一定都是好的！

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 12:03:32

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 09:37
我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

云库的残局库最多支持4个攻击子，超过4个攻击子就不是人为收集收来的，而是自动学习出来或云库本身的引擎计算出来的。如果是人为收集起来的残局库，基本是最正确的着法。

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 12:20:25

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 09:37
我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

别人爱用兵河五四，而兵河五四上又有云库，在兵河五四上用云库用多了，云库就能不断的学习和改进自身缺陷。
你们在这局摆在云库上了，而且你们在云库上不断的下着玩，所以被云库自动学习并收集了起来了… 你们在云库上下这局下的越来越正解，而云库的思考引擎也醒悟这步最好，所以自动学习的着法还能改进自身缺陷的。
而开局库和残局库是人为做好了的，是无法自动改的。

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 12:29:17

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-15 09:37
我還以為云庫的第1種走法就是最好的, 呵呵呵,是我誤會了

沒有多想就照搬上來, 勿怪

以前的象棋库是死板的，不会自算和不会自动学习。
现在的云库可是活的，会自己思考和会自动学习。

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2016-9-15 12:34:28

剑影¤独步发表于 2016-9-15 11:52
云库的计算引擎不是很好，所以思考出来的着法不一定都是好的！

值得注意的是：只要脱离了云库的人为棋谱，就不要太相信云库第一个绝对是最佳着法！

chessbug · 发表于 2016-9-16 19:03:03

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个人意见： 1#图红方最好的结果是一将一杀，因此结论是中规黑胜，亚规和棋。

现修改图如下，不知红胜是否成立？
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qzlyr · 发表于 2016-10-20 09:36:47

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-10-20 11:12:55

13樓圖

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-10-20 11:36:37

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-10-20 11:41 编辑

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2016-10-20 16:22:03

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[DhtmlXQ_comment26]黑胜.此变如果真是黑胜,原图只要黑七路卒后退一步是否可行.[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
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chessbug · 发表于 2016-10-20 20:15:21

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qzlyr 发表于 2016-10-20 09:36
本局选自《象棋残局新编》(李中健探索棋局六十年）上卷车类第12局

感谢指点本局出处。

个人认为原谱中第2回合黑车9平5走软了，所以红胜。如改走车9平7，则红方无法取胜。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]黑胜.此变如果真是黑胜,原图只要黑七路卒后退一步是否可行.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
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chessbug · 发表于 2016-10-20 20:20:22

桑莫喜发表于 2016-10-20 16:22

桑先生，第六回合红走车四平六如何？

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[DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4]0304477704057771313071750506753530313536[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_40_5]564677713130717404057444465644343031343505063536[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_40_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_44_6]324274444240495940504446[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_44_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_7]31342120002028203031204065665949[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_28_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_30_8]30312821313221223231202131302232[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_30_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_26_9]4080213130405851[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_26_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]这样呢.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]黑胜.此变如果真是黑胜,原图只要黑七路卒后退一步是否可行.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]黑胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26] 這樣可撐久一點[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]||!![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]速敗[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10]2131304053516555314140305155808959581018414889885859184839488848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D36095%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2016-10-20 20:57:51

chessbug 发表于 2016-10-20 20:20
桑先生，第六回合红走车四平六如何？

原着法黑还有变着. [DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]四车相斗[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
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[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]5199993959999999539999999999999915999999409999998031990365779999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_36_2]6656404777784748787948085646080379694948324203434241485841514346[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_36_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_38_3]0304477704057771313071750506753530313536[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_38_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_4]564677713130717404057444465644343031343505063536[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_44_5]324274444240495940504446[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_44_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_6]31342120002028203031204065665949[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_30_7]30312821313221223231202131302232[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_30_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_8]4080213130405851[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]黑这样,红难应.[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26] 這樣可撐久一點[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]||!![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]速敗[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
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chessbug · 发表于 2016-10-20 21:03:59

本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-10-20 21:06 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2016-10-20 20:57
原着法黑还有变着.

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]5199993959999999539999999999999915999999409999998031990365779999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]四车相斗[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]53434030438380408323151023213141515341432124434153334131331310001303001003131000241431211310303114343141344441311040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_36_2]6656404777784748787948085646080379694948324203434241485841514346[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_36_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_38_3]0304477704057771313071750506753530313536[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_38_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_4]564677713130717404057444465644343031343505063536[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_40_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_44_5]324274444240495940504446[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_44_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_6]31342120002028203031204065665949[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_30_7]30312821313221223231202131302232[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_30_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_8]4080213130405851[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]黑这样,红难应.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26] 這樣可撐久一點[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]||!![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]速敗[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9]212343415333413123214042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]应这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D36095%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2016-10-20 21:33:59

将原局子力调整一下,不知是否可行. [DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]四车相斗[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
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[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
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[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]5199993959999999539999999999999915999999409999996031990377859999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

chessbug · 发表于 2016-10-20 21:41:36

桑莫喜发表于 2016-10-20 21:33
将原局子力调整一下,不知是否可行.

桑先生，这样改局应该是成立的。

我在12#图中，加了一个3路的原位红兵，大致也能成立。

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2016-10-21 20:27:08

chessbug 发表于 2016-10-20 21:41
桑先生，这样改局应该是成立的。

我在12#图中，加了一个3路的原位红兵，大致也能成立。

加3路兵成立.

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