古局新意（时鑫试验）

sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-1 07:38:36

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-3 07:04:30

黑多雙卒,紅只能這樣走吧? 大陸規則黑勝了
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一卒擎天 · 发表于 2018-3-3 12:14:41

拙见；红一将一杀，黑一杀一捉，不变为和。

sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-3 12:53:05

谢谢老师们的关注！
1楼局面我做过试验探索。和棋时有出现，有时还涉及棋例。

sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-3 12:57:26

2楼聨吟客老师给出了一路着法。3楼一卒擎天老师给出了判定。
先综合如下：
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sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-3 13:06:09

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sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-3 13:09:25

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邢春波 · 发表于 2018-3-3 18:26:56

sdndsx 发表于 2018-3-3 12:57
2楼聨吟客老师给出了一路着法。3楼一卒擎天老师给出了判定。
先综合如下：

红一将一捉，黑一将一闲，红方变着

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-3-3 20:44:17

第2回合黑将5平4应判闲，因为炮捉士是原来就存在的，红方不变判负。

sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-4 08:09:42

本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2018-3-4 08:20 编辑

谢谢老师们的关注！

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yjr123 · 发表于 2018-3-4 09:56:16

照此逻辑，棋盘任何地方存在捉我方的子，那么我将军时，对方的应将行为都算捉。

应将之前，捉子存在吗？除非不应将。

sdndsx · 发表于 2018-3-4 13:26:01

yjr123 发表于 2018-3-4 09:56
照此逻辑，棋盘任何地方存在捉我方的子，那么我将军时，对方的应将行为都算捉。

应将之前，捉子存在吗？ ...

yjr123 老师9楼的判定结论是对的。

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一卒擎天 · 发表于 2018-3-5 15:18:24

sdndsx 发表于 2018-3-4 13:26
yjr123 老师9楼的判定结论是对的。

将5平4.。。。，炮1进1，仕五退六，车4进1吃仕，按11规则26.1.1款之规定“走动将帅，其它子产生新的捉，按捉处理。

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-3-5 15:43:07

一卒擎天发表于 2018-3-5 15:18
将5平4.。。。，炮1进1，仕五退六，车4进1吃仕，按11规则26.1.1款之规定“走动将帅，其它子产生新的捉， ...

为什么要走仕五退六？

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2018-3-6 14:24:02

yjr123 发表于 2018-3-5 15:43
为什么要走仕五退六？

将5平4后，其它子产生新的捉！按捉处理。另外仕五退六比帅四进一好吧？

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-3-6 15:32:01

是否产生新的捉，关键是看走子与这个捉是否有关联，没有关联就是原来就存在的捉，有关联就是新产生的捉，我看不出将5平4和你这步捉仕有什么关联。

另外裁判是不论着法的好坏，你要判捉，那么存在捉不成立的着法就会被否定。

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2018-3-7 14:40:33

车4进1不是新产生的吗？原局不存在吧，12楼时老师判闲的依据我理解不了，假设有个局，黑马8进7卧槽将，红帅五平六，此时红有铁门栓叫杀，这步解将还杀判闲对吗？

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-3-7 15:04:43

一卒擎天发表于 2018-3-7 14:40
车4进1不是新产生的吗？原局不存在吧，12楼时老师判闲的依据我理解不了，假设有个局，黑马8进7卧槽将，红帅 ...

黑方走将5平4之前和之后，并不影响车4进1吃仕的走法，当然是原来就存在的。
时老师指的可能是26.1.2条款。

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2018-3-7 19:57:07

17楼我举例的帅五平六，解将还杀，11棋规判闲了！？

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-22 16:47:00

加個兵即可成簡單和局
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 11:11:27

又發現並不簡單

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 11:22:31

九路兵黑就沒有炮退3了

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 11:26:19

這樣是否更好
雖有炮退3但不能繼續退

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 11:38:23

23樓不行
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 12:00:07

乖乖地用22樓吧

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-23 12:13:11

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-24 10:33:08

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2018-3-24 10:39 编辑

有邊象好一點,雖是簡單局也有趣

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-25 13:18:43

12 或13回合棄仕進兵也可和

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-25 13:22:42

這樣才能讓紅只有唯一和法
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-3-25 13:47:54

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