加象征西再研究

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-9-2 11:19:40

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-9-2 11:24:56

以前有網友指出18.19 回合須修正
是誰我沒有記下來

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-9-2 11:33:15

此外
12回合紅進車變化有沒有人提出研究過?
紅似頑強?
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-9-2 19:50:20

3樓好像用亞規紅才能和

呵呵呵

wolaikk · 发表于 2021-9-7 16:28:18

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-9-7 19:54:46

找到了是誰改的呢
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]②如改走卒5进1[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]③如改走车四平五[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]④如改走帅四退一，则车4平7，黑得炮亦和[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
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sunyt · 发表于 2021-9-29 16:50:47

网上的，不知是谁研究的
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sunyt · 发表于 2021-9-29 16:59:33

本帖最后由 sunyt 于 2021-9-29 17:03 编辑

网上的
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chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-10-1 20:51:32

新大西狩曾载于王首成的江湖热门棋局揭秘第30局。
加象征西那路和法网上很早就有。黑车平2再平4调换先后手后再退3保象，最后还是黑胜。

淡雨随风 · 发表于 2021-11-12 03:49:10

聨吟客发表于 2021-9-2 11:33
此外
12回合紅進車變化有沒有人提出研究過?
紅似頑強?

这样只要红河沿保住相可以和棋

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-12 06:21:03

淡雨随风发表于 2021-11-12 03:49
这样只要红河沿保住相可以和棋

哦

如果不用亞規
大陸規則也能和否

各位同好研究得如何呢
萬一如果真能和又推翻了黑勝結論

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-14 11:22:45

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-11-14 11:25 编辑

不知余先生與劍影獨步先生認為3樓如何呢
淡雨隨風先生說的是否正確

呵呵呵呵呵
打擾二位

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-15 13:36:26

3樓
黑若能成功調整陣形可能仍可勝
只是不知是否能順利調整
過程是否曲折
紅方能否阻撓破壞這個過程
雙方攻防重點
我也還未完全透徹

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-15 22:25:29

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-11-15 23:07 编辑

這個思路是否正確
好累唷

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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-11-16 07:31:09

聨吟客发表于 2021-11-15 22:25
這個思路是否正確
好累唷
拋磚引玉讓大家補充或修正

从21回合红方相一进三开始，就是用亚规也是红胜了（见云库）。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 07:31:35

49回合平帥較頑強否待研究
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 07:34:52

yjr123 发表于 2021-11-16 07:31
从21回合红方相一进三开始，就是用亚规也是红胜了（见云库）。

喔喔

是黑勝不是紅勝

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 07:37:47

亞規20回合進車用的
但黑還有退底車守炮
我就不知道了

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 07:40:13

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 10:36:45

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-11-16 10:50:56

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