奥林匹克马术大赛（红先胜）2015年第3期《棋友》

yjr123

这一个排局揭晓的答案是怎么样的？

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chouzhouyu 发表于 2022-2-28 22:19

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_67]
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聨吟客 发表于 2022-3-3 11:18
想到
裘朢禹少子百局譜

在没有云库和棋软的年代，这种残局难度很高，实战基本都是错进错出，排局谱也不例外。
这4局云库显示都是和棋，应该也不会有棋规问题。

聨吟客

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-1 20:59
這樣紅幾回合勝?
13. 炮八平五  炮５进３   14. 帅五退一  马３进５ 馬回中路
15. 帅五进一  马５退３  ...

14樓12回合是走進士

13回合以後參看云庫有勝法
用 兵換炮型成例勝局面

只是具體走法尚須很多回合
不知有效步數怎麼算?

聨吟客

還有
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還有  無走法
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聨吟客

2樓3樓4樓都是搜索到的

2樓黑馬總共只走兩步

3樓黑馬完全沒有走動

呵呵呵 不像4樓所說的那樣雙方馬步如何如何  也不像賽馬

yjr123

3楼是征答局原图，可能考虑到首着马八进六的变化不是原意，所以发表声明改成1楼这样，截止期也相应推迟。

聨吟客

所以原局作者是梁利成先生

寶毅峰是改局者嗎

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2022-2-27 12:06
所以原局作者是梁利成先生

寶毅峰是改局者嗎

标题都已经写明是破解，应该是参与应答投稿者之一。

chouzhouyu

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4樓怎麼少個兵

我現在才發現
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈...................................

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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]至此脱帽。||以下马术大赛。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_52]黑长将必须变招！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_18]这样还能赛马吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]脱帽||马术大赛[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]至此脱帽。||以下马术大赛。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
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要釐清黑以遲負步數計算  的標準是什麼

走完黑方被將死的全部過程步數為準呢  還是一眼看出紅勝定的局面就不用再計算步數了呢

奇蹟三號

這樣紅幾回合勝?
13. 炮八平五  炮５进３   14. 帅五退一  马３进５ 馬回中路
15. 帅五进一  马５退３   16. 马七退九  马３进１

第十二回合黑沒有走士5進6  
如走士5進6 紅未想到怎麼勝

這局相信是和局。

聨吟客

下圖這樣就無那些瑣碎支變
我個人不太喜歡那些支變 因為還要釐清紅黑怎麼走如何計算步數才算遲負
未必是賽馬的走法吧?就算是也減低了興趣

下圖主題鮮明 形象生動 紅以速勝  黑以遲負  
拆解或學習也覺 趣味

可能在下才疏學淺 才會這麼認為 大家一笑置之吧

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奇蹟三號

要釐清黑以遲負步數計算  的標準是什麼
想要看當前局面 或参看螞蟻大戰的釋弈

聨吟客

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-1 21:25
要釐清黑以遲負步數計算  的標準是什麼
想要看當前局面 或参看螞蟻大戰的釋弈

喔

他們怎麼說的

呵呵呵呵

奇蹟三號

十七回合
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奇蹟三號

故而大部份答卷主
著法最後的勝法就會不盡相同，
其原因在於有的多“將軍”幾步，
有的少“將軍”幾步。其實只要
是無謂的著法，例如毫無意義的
送吃、不起變化的反復“將軍”、
例勝時續弈至擒住黑將等等，都
不計算有效著數。

聨吟客

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-1 21:50
故而大部份答卷主
著法最後的勝法就會不盡相同，
其原因在於有的多“將軍”幾步，

喔

謝謝

關於例勝的定義有時也很頭痛
馬炮雙士對馬雙士ㄧ般說來是否例勝
看位置如何有的走起來步數還不少

又如17樓局面 能不能算例勝
那有效步數就歸零了
呵呵呵呵呵

聨吟客

下圖這局黑方無士最後也能勝

只是各詮注本都沒有列出8回合以後具體走法
呵呵  沒有勤快一點的 編書者詮注者對此局8回合以後列出具體走法
他們可能覺得很容易?
實則著數不算少支變也瑣碎繁多
對於不是高手的普通愛好者而言研究起來很吃力痛苦
我也算是其中之一  呵呵呵呵呵

還好現今可參看云庫學習

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奇蹟三號

14樓12回合是走進士

13回合以後參看云庫有勝法
用 兵換炮型成例勝局面

明白，知道，如果紅勝十二回合黑不應走士５进６
走炮５进３，炮５进３紅亦不能勝。

主變第十三回合此時可應走士５进６，這裡有分別。

聨吟客

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-2 08:29
14樓12回合是走進士

13回合以後參看云庫有勝法

兌炮的變化云庫也有勝法

奇蹟三號

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yjr123

奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-3-2 09:23
兌炮的變化云庫也有勝法

以下是云库链接，可在左边选择自动走红，你执黑在棋盘上走。

http://www.chessdb.cn/query/?2N2k3/2n1P4/5a3/9/9/9/9/3A5/4A4/5K3%20b