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[专题局研究] 改了古谱,发现蛮有意思的~

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发表于 2023-12-10 02:27:20 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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 楼主| 发表于 2023-12-10 02:28:51 | 只看该作者
大湿觉得这局放在抖音,应该会火的。
子少简洁~~~
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 楼主| 发表于 2023-12-10 02:31:46 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2023-12-10 08:09:04 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2023-12-10 08:45 编辑

弄个小局,还要卖关子,这类改局我已找到9局(包括:竹谱-云里金刚)。

标题局是《适情雅趣》(邓云龙遗本)“单骑困敌“等古局加黑炮而成,古谱原是红胜局,加黑炮还能胜?若能胜,尚可;若不能胜,则没什么意义!加个大子成和并不难,除非能带来非常的变化才有意义。

2楼改自《竹香斋》“云里金刚”(“单骑困敌”之反局),至今尚未找到这个反局的同型局或改局。
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发表于 2023-12-10 08:22:04 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2023-12-10 08:55:10 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2023-12-10 09:04:52 | 只看该作者
兩位好  最近很紅的 科目三舞步是起源於廣西嗎

我看了一些  笑到沒力  海底撈店員們穿制服跳的 實在太滑稽逗趣  
美女們跳得當然可愛啦  哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

大濕要不要來跳一段  我好想看大濕跳的  哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
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发表于 2023-12-10 10:50:16 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2023-12-10 08:09
弄个小局,还要卖关子,这类改局我已找到9局(包括:竹谱-云里金刚)。

标题局是《适情雅趣》(邓云龙遗 ...

云里金刚局在东萍网有很多改局
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发表于 2023-12-10 18:24:50 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2023-12-11 09:32 编辑

谢谢!“云里金刚”书中不见改局。总体而言,网络上的改局优劣常常拿涅不准,取舍很难,而且多无作者、无出处,所以选得很少。可以确定是当代大师级的改局,例如黄志琦、邢春波等的改局,大多都选了。
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发表于 2023-12-10 19:50:43 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2023-12-10 19:52 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2023-12-10 10:50
云里金刚局在东萍网有很多改局

刚搜了一下,共出来9个改局,其中陈明仁改的占了7局,选其1局,另选了成金军的那1局。再加上大湿这局,连同原局,暂选四局。

大湿改的这局以一炮代四兵,构思特别,应该不错。
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发表于 2023-12-10 22:13:50 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2023-12-10 19:50
刚搜了一下,共出来9个改局,其中陈明仁改的占了7局,选其1局,另选了成金军的那1局。再加上大湿这局,连 ...

我都忘了改那麼多局 呵呵呵呵呵 有的可能失敗或太簡單  鴿兄費心了  多謝
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 楼主| 发表于 2023-12-10 23:27:00 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2023-12-10 19:50
刚搜了一下,共出来9个改局,其中陈明仁改的占了7局,选其1局,另选了成金军的那1局。再加上大湿这局,连 ...

老鸽子,你竟然敢怀疑大湿~~~
找打啊~~~
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发表于 2023-12-11 09:43:39 | 只看该作者
石川铃华老湿 发表于 2023-12-10 23:27
老鸽子,你竟然敢怀疑大湿~~~
找打啊~~~

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发表于 2023-12-11 11:29:52 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2023-12-13 00:44:23 | 只看该作者
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19#
发表于 2023-12-13 16:51:05 | 只看该作者

“单骑困敌”类局,黑方无象,红方取胜过于简短。18楼在黑方加象的情况下,红方加低兵、仕,应算是红方以最少的子力配置取胜吧,而且复杂度也够,很不错的改局,在下收下了,谢谢西大侠大师,也谢谢陈兄,辛苦了!
20#
发表于 2023-12-13 17:02:38 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2023-12-13 17:33 编辑

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21#
发表于 2023-12-13 17:15:04 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 高原红 于 2023-12-13 19:56 编辑

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22#
发表于 2023-12-13 17:27:47 | 只看该作者
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23#
发表于 2023-12-13 17:30:44 | 只看该作者
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24#
发表于 2023-12-13 17:36:33 | 只看该作者
25#
发表于 2023-12-13 18:16:24 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2023-12-13 18:30 编辑

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26#
发表于 2023-12-13 20:47:36 | 只看该作者
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27#
发表于 2023-12-13 21:37:21 | 只看该作者
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28#
发表于 2023-12-13 21:42:00 | 只看该作者
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29#
发表于 2023-12-13 22:40:38 | 只看该作者
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30#
 楼主| 发表于 2023-12-14 11:10:05 | 只看该作者
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