红胜假象更加逼真

sdndsx · 发表于 2024-6-1 13:02:38

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-2 08:51:45

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2024-6-2 11:48:50

得到聨吟客的真传！
添了一堆棋子

聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-2 22:35:11

石川铃华老湿发表于 2024-6-2 11:48
得到聨吟客的真传！
添了一堆棋子

還可添一個相紅仍不勝

sdndsx · 发表于 2024-6-3 13:40:53

多谢关注！
江湖排局的核心在于：
初始局面具有红胜假象。假象越是逼真，江湖味道越是浓厚。
1楼添加了三个红兵。这三个红兵添在其它点位行不行？

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-3 13:55:38

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2024-6-3 13:57 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]王振拟局，黑加边卒，红三高兵仍和。||||在同型局中最接近《新江湖残局破解》之“跟踪追击”，或系改自后者。因手头暂缺百20，着法采自东萍网。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:17:11

6樓改得好啊

我有改一局添一個高兵的紅勝局但紅須走出調整單雙步的妙手

忘了貼在哪裡了

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:36:02

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2024-6-3 14:37 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment50]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment50][DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23][DhtmlXQ_comment0]裘望禹拟局，《百8》取名“平步青云”。||||本局布子差异较大，且||如邢春波先生所改拟的“秦岭横云”，着法已完全不同，但个人认为它仍是《蕉竹斋》“鱼行漫衍”的改局，约相当于黑加中卒，红加中象位兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:36:02

聨吟客发表于 2024-6-3 14:17
6樓改得好啊

我有改一局添一個高兵的紅勝局但紅須走出調整單雙步的妙手

这是你改的？

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:36:37

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:52:11

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-3 14:36
这是你改的？

我的邊兵在九五位也算撞了呵呵呵

這種很容易撞

yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-3 14:53:41

老鸽子发表于 2024-6-3 14:36

是《蕉竹斋》“鱼行漫衍”的改局

《蕉竹斋》“鱼行漫衍”的原局是怎样的？

聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-3 15:43:27

查蕉竹齋白老師詮注本無魚行漫衍局

魚行漫衍這局名好有趣呵呵呵

魚龍漫衍成語古代雜技變幻之術可能類似現代的魔術

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-3 15:48:50

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2024-6-3 16:42 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-3 14:53
是《蕉竹斋》“鱼行漫衍”的改局

《蕉竹斋》“鱼行漫衍”的原局是怎样的？

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-3 16:03:40

哦魚行漫衍就是這局喔

那我較喜歡魚行漫衍局名

yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-3 16:29:11

呵呵，用别名，怪不得找不到

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-3 16:49:35

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2024-6-3 17:00 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2024-6-3 14:17
6樓改得好啊

我有改一局添一個高兵的紅勝局但紅須走出調整單雙步的妙手

这是我最喜欢的一则同类改局，江湖味浓，所以才帖出来。
另请老兄帮我看看第10楼“画蛇添足”局着法是否成立，我已选用，但若着法不成立，则去之。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-3 22:31:32

鴿兄太了解我了知道我要對10樓出手了呵呵呵呵呵
看看改成這樣可否待確認一些細節再貼走法
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-4 00:50:16

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-4 00:52:50

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-4 00:57:52

添相妙底兵完善自我感覺良好爽

大濕兄你說是吧

yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-4 08:54:00

老鸽子发表于 2024-6-3 16:49
这是我最喜欢的一则同类改局，江湖味浓，所以才帖出来。
另请老兄帮我看看第10楼“画蛇添足”局着法是否 ...

第4回合红败着，变着胜！

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-4 12:20:51

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-4 08:54
第4回合红败着，变着胜！

这样的话，此局的着法完全不能成立，就作废了！

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-4 12:30:20

聨吟客发表于 2024-6-4 00:57
添相妙底兵完善自我感覺良好爽

大濕兄你說是吧

添相挡红车退守可以，兵、卒的步数恰到好处，应无问题，就是它了！

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-4 13:12:22

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2024-6-4 13:14 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2024-6-3 14:52
我的邊兵在九五位也算撞了呵呵呵

這種很容易撞

边兵在9·5位那局原名“新跟踪追击”，很不错的，我早就收藏了。在东萍网还可看到豫东棋人改了好几局，虽说没发现什么问题，但没有新意，故一局都没选。

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-4 13:28:52

sdndsx 发表于 2024-6-3 13:40
多谢关注！
江湖排局的核心在于：
初始局面具有红胜假象。假象越是逼真，江湖味道越是浓厚。

完全赞同，改局难免加子，作为一种有实际意义的改法，是可行的！

yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-4 13:50:09

我认为江湖残局具备红胜假象只是表象，实质应该是红方似优实劣，红方易胜假象引人入彀，红方实际着法艰难才能保证摊主赚钱。看似红优，实际也是红优。不是好的江湖残局。

本局修改后红优势是加强了，但着法难度丝毫没有增加，无趣！

sdndsx · 发表于 2024-6-4 13:52:58

老鸽子发表于 2024-6-4 13:28
完全赞同，改局难免加子，作为一种有实际意义的改法，是可行的！

多谢关注！
1楼只添加了三个红兵，着法也没有带来什么新意。
但是，如果不添加黑子，只添加三个红兵，点位是唯一的，就有的意思了。

yjr123 · 发表于 2024-6-4 14:03:01

sdndsx 发表于 2024-6-4 13:52
多谢关注！
1楼只添加了三个红兵，着法也没有带来什么新意。
但是，如果不添加黑子，只添加三个红兵， ...

本质上就是添加3个毫无作用的冗子

可能百分之七八十的排局，增加几个角底兵卒都不影响着法。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-4 16:43:13

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