野马操田之十三子

敖日西

hzsjy

红无中兵会如何?

拿有边马的来演示.....

野马七星(未知)
1楼28着黑车5退1即可!

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-11-26 14:13:44编辑过]

敖日西

hzsjy

您好:

1楼第32着走卒4平5,红只好以车换卒,红马退不到中线相位.输定.

2楼我提到的车5退1的着法红有求和的手段.

hzsjy

您好:

1>.3楼第20步一定要车2平3捉相.

2>.多了一中象形成的结果是红车守到了三路,有可能在以后的搏杀中红车与红相形成互保,对黑棋不利.(对比"野马操田"可体会到,在此一下说不清.)

3>.最主要的是少了中兵此局根本就毫无意义!

yjr123

以下是引用hzsjy在2005-11-27 8:35:00的发言：

3>.最主要的是少了中兵此局根本就毫无意义!

为什么少了中兵此局就毫无意义？

hzsjy

您好:.

如有高明指正,愿聆其详!

二图局中的区别图:

有中兵:

野马七星(未知)
此时以下就是"野马操田"局的着法了.
还有以下变化:

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     无中兵:
11222334(未知)

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-11-27 14:10:20编辑过]

yjr123

无中兵是红先黑胜局？

按照１楼着法不是和棋吗？２楼的问题４楼已否定了。

hzsjy

您好:

以下贴图包含了我拟的有关此局的基本变化:

没见到和局着法.请贴一下.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-11-27 18:30:47编辑过]

敖日西

hzsjy

您好:

10楼的帖应贴在蛟川鱼的"代发..............."帖下.

敖日西

敖日西

上楼最妙之处是从头自尾都是十三子！唉，只是可惜针对hzsjy!!

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应当说明，这局棋的着法会出现：“长要杀”、“一将一要杀”、“一捉一要杀”等棋例，如按现行棋规，这是不允许的，但这是一则古局，应当按照那时的棋例来判定。因此，这里尊重古意，如遇上述棋例，双方不变，判作和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment2]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2] [DhtmlXQ_comment29] 如图棋势，下一着黑方主要有车５平６和前卒平５两种走法。根据民间的称呼和各谱的俗定，车５平６的走法称为“大开车”；前卒平５的走法称为“小开车”（其中包括“提车局”的变化）。现将这两路主要着法介绍如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment29] [DhtmlXQ_comment30]　　“大开车”着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30] [DhtmlXQ_comment37] 退马解杀，正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37] [DhtmlXQ_comment63] 黑虽主动，但红方可以守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63] [DhtmlXQ_comment85]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]　　马双相正和单车，唯一的守和之型。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_57] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_51]关键之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_63] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_56]再平6捉死红马，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_48]黑先手，红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_58]红方马双相没有归位，黑可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_55]红车占中，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]　　按那时棋例，双方不变可作和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_38]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_43]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_37]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_65]　　按那时棋例，双方不变可作和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_53]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]精妙之着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_66]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_64]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_66]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment26_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_39]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_48]　　红方马双相没有归位，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment29_33]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment29_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment30_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment32_30]　　“小开车”着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment32_39] 可走马六进八，将5平4，马八退六，将5平4，还原后再马六退八，多一路对黑方的考验。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment32_73]红方一将一杀或者长要杀，按那时棋例，双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_73] [DhtmlXQ_comment33_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment34_63]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_63] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_64]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_52]软。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_60]以后变化繁复，但红占优。||－－《中国象棋谱》注。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment37_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_54]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_53]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment40_67] 红方一将一杀或者长要杀，按那时的棋例，双方不变，可以判作和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_67] [DhtmlXQ_comment41_50]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment41_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment42_65]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_65] [DhtmlXQ_comment43_53]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment44_61]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment45_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment46_45]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment46_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment47_45]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment47_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment48_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment49_45]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment49_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment50_42]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment50_55]按当时棋例，双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment51_59]　 红方虽为长要杀，但按那时的惯例，双方不变，可以作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_59] [DhtmlXQ_comment52_56]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment52_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment53_50]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment53_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment54_48]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment54_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment55_71]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_71] [DhtmlXQ_comment57_67]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_67] [DhtmlXQ_comment58_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment59_67]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_67] [DhtmlXQ_comment60_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_59] [DhtmlXQ_comment61_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment62_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment62_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment63_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment64_46]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment64_53]引黑车离位。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment64_61]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment65_45]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment65_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment66_44]误。。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment66_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment67_42]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment67_49]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment68_63]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_63] [DhtmlXQ_comment69_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment70_59]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_59] [DhtmlXQ_comment71_55]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment72_42]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment74_70]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_70] [DhtmlXQ_comment75_66]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment75_68]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment75_74]！！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_74] [DhtmlXQ_comment77_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment78_46]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment78_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment80_48]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment80_50]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment81_68]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_68] [DhtmlXQ_comment82_64]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment83_69]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_69] [DhtmlXQ_comment84_52]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment85_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment85_55]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment85_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment85_61]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_61] [DhtmlXQ_comment87_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment87_52]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment87_55]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment89_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment89_54]　 红方平车是暗伏杀着，属于长杀之类，但按照那时的棋例，在这样的情况下，双方不变，可以作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment90_71]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_71] [DhtmlXQ_comment92_49]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment92_50]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment92_53]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment92_54]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment93_52] 下着黑卒4进1胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment93_53]劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment96_40]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment96_48]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment97_44]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment98_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment99_40]黑方不利。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment99_41]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment100_38]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment100_39]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment100_46]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment100_50] 抽兵再兑车，成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment103_36]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment103_44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment103_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment104_51]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment104_52]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment106_39]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment107_39]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment107_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment107_47]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment108_54]顿挫。[/DhtmlXQ_comment108_54] [DhtmlXQ_comment110_46]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment110_48]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment110_50]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment112_52]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment113_50]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment113_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment114_34]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment114_42]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment114_43] 这步棋，黑方退车捉马，民间俗称“提车局”。[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment115_44]亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment116_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment116_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment118_44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment118_45]红劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment118_48] 红马失去作用，双车仍被牵制，以后黑有卒4进1等杀着，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_48] [DhtmlXQ_comment118_49]黑劣红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment119_58]很好的停着。－－使黑方欠行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment120_52]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment120_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment120_56]仍红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment120_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment122_60]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_60] [DhtmlXQ_comment123_52]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment125_34]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment125_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment125_36]停着，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment125_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment126_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment126_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment126_36]黑劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment126_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment127_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment127_38]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment128_35]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment128_41]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment128_42]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment129_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment129_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment131_24] 速和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment131_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment131_25]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment131_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment132_21]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment132_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment132_22]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment132_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment134_12]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment134_13]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment134_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment134_19]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment135_1]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment135_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment135_2]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment135_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment1641]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1641] [DhtmlXQ_comment1642]误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1642] [DhtmlXQ_comment1651]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1651] [DhtmlXQ_viewdate]2007-7-21 15:05:49[/DhtmlXQ_viewdate] [DhtmlXQ_remark]东萍公司[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_other]东萍个人棋谱仓库永久免费[/DhtmlXQ_other] 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sun8ag

黑3路底象要在1路才能成和(不要也行).还要加上红一路兵.摆棋人的意见.