【小鹏改红酒加兵局】结论讨论

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-26 23:06:29

本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-8-30 11:52 编辑

台湾陈明仁先生指出了红求正和的走法，红酒以此为据，确立小鹏改红酒加兵局（只加九7位兵）是成立的，特此感谢！

fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-21 22:44:48

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fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-15 18:01:58

一杯红酒发表于 2015-9-13 23:47
3兵五进一，炮4平5！

多谢指出，看来加相不成立。

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-13 23:47:06

fenqing228 发表于 2015-9-13 16:45

3兵五进一，炮4平5！

fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-13 16:45:46

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wolaikk · 发表于 2015-9-13 14:05:17

fenqing228 发表于 2015-9-12 21:35
想正和？在三一位加个红相呀

加相似乎还是不能成和，着法中车4平5不如炮4平5好

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-13 09:58:29

fenqing228 发表于 2015-9-12 21:38
1. 前车平六炮４进４ 2. 炮四平六车４退１
3. 兵五进一车４平５ 4. 帅五平六车５退 ...

3.兵五进一变例，请注意2#、3#的拆解，自己定论为红劣变，黑正应可胜；1#所贴局按中象新规也是正和局，台湾陈明仁先生提出的走法，可以避开所有纠纷，成正和！

fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-12 21:55:37

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fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-12 21:38:21

1. 前车平六  炮４进４    2. 炮四平六  车４退１
3. 兵五进一  车４平５    4. 帅五平六  车５退４
5. 车三平七  象５进３    6. 车七平四  将４平５
7. 车四退二  炮４退５    8. 炮三平五  车５进４
9. 车四进六  将５平６ 10. 相三进五

fenqing228 · 发表于 2015-9-12 21:35:30

想正和？在三一位加个红相呀

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-7 10:30:07

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-6 10:13:55

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-5 13:53:29

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-4 09:58:16

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邢春波 · 发表于 2015-9-3 19:49:44

看不懂，20楼自己讲，兵卒将帅可以长捉，23却说正和，莫名其妙！

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-2 09:51:12

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-1 09:58:52

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-8-31 19:14:51

哦?這麼複雜啊,那麼大陸的比賽還用1999規則嗎?

如果是那就沒問題, 如果不是會有爭議

有趣的是棋攤上判和判勝都算紅方破解, 影響不大

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-31 18:57:06

1999年版中国象棋竞赛规则
27.2兵（卒）本身捉吃对方的棋子（不含将、杀），按闲处理；如形成相互长打局面，则应按捉处理。

中国象棋竞赛规则2011试用版
26.1 帅(将)、兵(卒)本身允许长捉
26.7 兵(卒)借其他子抽吃对方的子，按“闲”处理;兵(卒)吃子时产生其他子“将军”，按“捉”处理。

1999版为正式规则，2011版为试用版，在2011版中对本局出现的情况，找不出定论条例，1999版可以找到定论条例。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-8-31 18:19:41

大陸最新的規則,兵卒長捉子 ,允許對方也互打的規定已經取消了 ,

我之前也是聽網上棋友說的才知道

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-31 11:28:00

黑方长杀，红方兵长捉黑车，在对方为打的时候也是打，长杀对长打，不变算和！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-8-31 11:15:27

以上二樓的規則判決,大陸規則恐怕要判紅勝

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-31 10:37:55

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]【小鹏改红酒加兵局】||||一杯红酒加九7位兵，原改局为fenqing228发布[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]可以避开以后红简明正和的走法！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]进入复杂的尾盘缠斗！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63]正和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment63]
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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-30 16:02:53

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]【小鹏改红酒加兵局】||||一杯红酒加九7位兵，原改局为fenqing228发布[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]可以避开以后红简明正和的走法！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]进入复杂的尾盘缠斗！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69]正和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment69]
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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-30 10:56:29

本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-8-30 11:55 编辑

台湾陈明仁先生指出了红求正和的走法，红酒以此为据，确立小鹏改红酒加兵局（只加九7位兵）是成立的，特此感谢！

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-29 16:16:32

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-29 16:05:10

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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]可以避开以后红简明正和的走法！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]黑大优！[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-29 16:00:03

红虽然有简明谋正和的手段，但黑还是可以避开而主动导向复杂！

一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-29 15:57:28

本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-8-29 16:18 编辑

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-8-29 15:46:37

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