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凌云子

原帖由 87878787 于 2008-12-30 09:48 发表 注意；由于本局是黑胜局。本局黑要速胜。红要迟负。

这是您的着法 第11回合红走兵一进一，黑走卒6进1迅速使局面定型并简化。 而选择卒1进1， 如图演示第12回合是走兵一进一，而此局的结论是黑胜， 为了得出黑胜的结论就必须炮六平七炮六平八炮六平九炮六退三炮六退五，相三进五等等。 同样第13回合时是走兵一进一，而此局的结论是黑胜， 为了得出黑胜的结论还必须炮六平七炮六平八炮六平九炮六退三炮六退五，相三进五等等重复解释， 然而在第14回合，第15回合仍要重复解释。 :P :P 请您详尽的列出上面的所有变化，才确定------黑方不上士而急进卒能速胜。 用具体的着法来证明您的推测！

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红进边兵并非简化!!!是黑方不可避免的变化.另外您黑士6进5的攻法我认为不严厉..黑直进边卒严厉!!! [ 本帖最后由 87878787 于 2008-12-30 17:17 编辑 ]

凌云子

原帖由 87878787 于 2008-12-30 17:15 发表 红进边兵并非简化!!!是黑方不可避免的变化.另外您黑士6进5的攻法我认为不严厉..黑直进边卒严厉!!!

建议你好好研究！

yjr123

原帖由 87878787 于 2008-12-30 17:15 发表 红进边兵并非简化!!!是黑方不可避免的变化.另外您黑士6进5的攻法我认为不严厉..黑直进边卒严厉!!!

 

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原帖由 凌云子 于 2008-12-30 18:58 发表 建议你好好研究！

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1）您提出红直进兵后相三退五要反复的解我认为没有必要。只要您提出一路基本速败即可， 2）您提出红直进兵是简单的定位。我认为是在繁杂的变化提炼而成。是黑方不可避免的变化。 关于详尽；假如把棋局解和或解错。解的再详尽也是错的。您说呢。 3）您建议我（（建议你好好研究！））共勉把！ 4）解排局谁都可能犯错。共勉把！！！

yjr123

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yjr123

凌云子的着法是尽快定形，让红方无可变化，应是正解。

凌云子

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原帖由 yjr123 于 2008-12-30 21:23 发表   www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]9999995949996599769979999999998640999930425299419999463703389957[/DhtmlXQ_binit]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]7646423246423231797141624241313241405241717 ...

yjr123先生第16回退炮能解进卒的杀法。我看了很多变化就没看这路变化。惭愧！！！

凌云子

原帖由 87878787 于 2008-12-31 11:58 发表 yjr123先生第16回退炮能解进卒的杀法。我看了很多变化就没看这路变化。惭愧！！！

这路变化已经出现过，只你没有注意。见上面的9楼，10楼，13楼

yjr123

原帖由 凌云子 于 2008-12-31 12:25 发表 这路变化已经出现过，只你没有注意。见上面的9楼，10楼，13楼

 

应该在这3个贴中没有这路变化。

yjr123

原帖由 87878787 于 2008-12-31 11:58 发表 yjr123先生第16回退炮能解进卒的杀法。我看了很多变化就没看这路变化。惭愧！！！

 

进卒杀法应该也是成立的，只不过还是要靠上士才能取胜，见我10楼着法。

 

先上士定形可减少红方变化，是比较好的策略。

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下图双方不变作和