对 二炮争功 的研究及诠正

yjr123

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 12:41
估计是是相五退七？

正好黑胜

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站在红方角度，这样走可能最简洁和棋。

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老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-18 17:05
这局棋至少有五六十年的历史了，早先名为“跑马联营”、“走马联营”，均为蒋权拟局，图势有所不同，且左右 ...

跑馬與走馬兩局圖是如何的
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用文字說明或拍照都可

老鸽子

是在爱下棋论坛看到的，出自手抄本蒋权《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》(应为蒋权处女作)，泓弈网列有局目。在下现在手头上只有Word图片，曾尝试过复制上传，但粘不上去。

“跑马联营”和“走马联营”应是此局的雏形，棋型虽只有兵卒之差，但着法肯定不同。两局图势均无红兵，加了一只红马，双方有中相（象），左右方向相反，余势相同。这两局与我上面所说的“马踏联营”极为相似。这里的“马踏联营”，亦即：洪哲《象棋江湖残局破解》和王伟、李中健《民间残棋揭秘》之“马踏连营”，后者在网上可以搜出来。

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yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 14:43
站在红方角度，这样走可能最简洁和棋。

10回合炮四进三是菜鸟来玩提出的走法，认为能和。马9退7被红炮串打改走炮9平3呢？

yjr123

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 15:53
10回合炮四进三是菜鸟来玩提出的走法，认为能和。马9退7被红炮串打改走炮9平3呢？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 16:14

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一卒擎天

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 13:05
正好黑胜

4回炮五平六改相七进五如何？

yjr123

一卒擎天 发表于 2021-3-19 17:12
4回炮五平六改相七进五如何？

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老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-19 15:46
是在爱下棋论坛看到的，出自手抄本蒋权《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》(应为蒋权处女作)，泓弈网列有局目。在下现在手头 ...

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像這樣

二炮爭功

紅方  帥四1 相五3...................

黑方　將６１　馬７３.....................

這樣我就知了　

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下面是“走马联营”。一律按黑方路、线记录子力位置，第一个数字为纵向，第二个数字为横向。
黑方半盘：黑将四/一，红车五/二{黑方宫心)、黑马三/三、黑象五/三、红车七/五、红炮九/五。
红方半盘：红炮七/六、黑炮九/六、黑卒二/七、黑卒四/八、红方中相、黑卒五/九(红方宫心)、红马三/十、红帅四/十、黑卒七/十。共计十五子，原谱和局。

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老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-19 20:19
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]蒋权老师在上一局基础上，又进行了创作，棋局难度有所增大。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 22:25
是这样吗

是的，没错，这是《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》“走马联营”，创作于六七十年代，应是“二炮争功”的雏形。此谱在泓弈网列出了36局名单，爱下棋论坛上传了部分棋局，有阅读权限。

老鸽子

同谱还有“跑马联营”，记谱方法同上：
黑方半盘：黑将四/一、红车五/二、黑方中象、红车七/四(黑方卒线)、红炮九/四、黑马二/五。
红方半盘：红炮七/六、黑炮九/六、黑卒四/八、红方中相、黑卒五/九(宫心)、红帅四/十、红马五/十(帅位)。
共十三子，比“走马联营”少两卒，且其它子力位置有所改变，原谱亦为和局。

老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-19 22:26
找到了

这局不就是"走马联营"吗？图势完全相同，“又进行了创作”是什么意思？《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权最早的棋谱。那个鞠发友又是何方大师，怎么从来没听说过。

老鸽子

干脆将主题局有关资料补齐吧(同局)：
(1)1984年瞿问秋、杨明忠《象棋民间排局》，以及1999年朱鹤洲《江湖排局集成》等谱之局名为“二炮争功”。
(2)1987年陈富贵、程业金《中国象棋流行排局选》，以及1996年仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》之局名为“护驾炮”。
(3)1991年陈松顺《江湖棋局搜秘》之局名为“横直护驾炮”。
(4)1993年洪哲《象棋江湖残局破解》之局名为“二炮逼宫”。
(5)1998年王伟、李中健《民间残棋揭秘》之局名为“龙驹宝马”。

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老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 00:44
这局不就是"走马联营"吗？图势完全相同，“又进行了创作”是什么意思？《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权 ...

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不是我說的
我也一頭霧水

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老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 00:22
同谱还有“跑马联营”，记谱方法同上：
黑方半盘：黑将四/一、红车五/二、黑方中象、红车七/四(黑方卒线) ...

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老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-20 09:59
我之前誤排成這樣
將錯就錯一併貼上供大家研究
呵呵呵呵呵

居然有这么巧，真乃英雄所见略同。

聨吟客

老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 10:08
居然有这么巧，真乃英雄所见略同。

鴿先生可能誤會了

不是我的創作,是我根據鴿先生的文字標示而糊里糊塗排成的,後來才發現弄錯了
呵呵呵呵呵
不過誤打誤撞好像還真可另外成局呢
姑不論深淺難易如何還挺有趣的
如果太簡單再行改造就是了

hzsjy

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-19 17:37
查找同型局
呵呵呵

长久没来，又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局？
41楼是我的改图和着法！棋图中有我的名字。

聨吟客

hzsjy 发表于 2021-3-20 13:35
长久没来，又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局？
41楼是我的改图和着法！棋图中有我的名字。

沈老師好久不見
很開心又見到您

41樓我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能找出的
直接複製貼上未做任何增減

網站棋局太多又隔多年
無法全都記得有無討論過
我自己的局也忘記很多
呵呵呵呵
再討論複習熱鬧熱鬧也不錯
如沈老師對41樓有重新修訂整理走法也可再提供
謝謝