你追我赶（趣味棋局）杨启忠

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-6-13 19:08:06

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-13 07:21
这样

还是胜不了
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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-6-13 19:30:05

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-13 13:40
在拆解该局时，遇到一个问题，几位棋友在上面的着法演示中，都没有触及到这个问题。即：在第7回合黑 ...

24楼余老师给出的着法，续走就是这个变化。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 07:56:38

邢春波发表于 2014-6-13 19:30
24楼余老师给出的着法，续走就是这个变化。

啊啊！炮7进1之变确实复杂。寒士指出的变化十分重要，否则这个棋局将留下遗憾，这也彰显了华工的力量！这里要特别感谢寒士了，这一招堪称寒冰掌，几乎将我们的研究成果给冰封了!就将这路变化单贴列出，敬请给位棋友指正，见下楼。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 07:57:58

不知这招一阳指效果如何?看招：

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-14 08:58:21

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-14 07:57
不知这招一阳指效果如何?看招：

一阳指失传了，徒具外形。

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 09:23:54

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 08:58
一阳指失传了，徒具外形。

:'

，感觉有点类似江湖棋局了！再研究研究看还有没有其他攻击法，只有确定无法取胜，再考虑改局

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 17:04:59

杨老师使出浑身解数，也化解不了寒冰掌的凌厉攻势。

看来只好改弦易辙了，大体有三种方案：1.加相 2.加士 3.移卒前两者太俗了，极大地破坏了原局的内涵，故不予考虑。移卒方案见下楼，该方案使得原局的那两个支之变之难度立马消失，好得点的是增加了主变的内容，此所谓鱼和熊掌不可兼得。真不好意思，又给大家添麻烦了。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 17:05:32

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-14 17:18:27

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-14 18:13:57

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 17:18

谢谢！修订一下

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-6-14 19:20:55

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-6-18 08:25 编辑

等我仔研究研究，看看能不能再给你浇盆凉水。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-14 20:49:57

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-15 08:42:46

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-14 20:49

变化太多，还有一些一时还有待研究，先看看这个

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-15 09:05:29

再补充一路重要变化

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-15 13:45:15

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-15 16:37:41

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-15 15:58

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-15 20:21:18

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 09:42:14

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-15 20:21

楼上红可先炮九平七过渡一下，主要问题是黑炮平6，红无法胜。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-16 10:46:42

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 09:42
楼上红可先炮九平七过渡一下，主要问题是黑炮平6，红无法胜。

没有看懂

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 13:22:45

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 10:46
没有看懂

13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 13:27:28

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:22
13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

10回合黑炮9平8之变与一楼棋局的2路卒平中之变有异曲同工之妙，红胜不了。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-16 13:35:35

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:22
13回合黑走错了，应炮3平9顶炮

还是没有看懂，简单可胜的你说不能胜，不能胜的却又说能够胜。

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 14:08:03

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 13:35
还是没有看懂，简单可胜的你说不能胜，不能胜的却又说能够胜。

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 14:09:43

乱码了，上楼少了底边卒

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-16 15:26:44

杨启忠发表于 2014-6-16 13:27
10回合黑炮9平8之变与一楼棋局的2路卒平中之变有异曲同工之妙，红胜不了。

越来越看不懂，哪有10回合黑炮9平8之变？

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-16 16:00:19

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 15:26
越来越看不懂，哪有10回合黑炮9平8之变？

打错了，是卒9平8

杨启忠 · 发表于 2014-6-17 20:25:02

再度修订，先晒个图，请棋友们研究一下

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-6-18 08:32:10

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-6-14 19:20
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