虎口求生

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-7-4 16:18:54

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 00:48:26

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-30 15:14
第6回合黑方车4平5是最强着法，稍有优势，其余着法很多，但都无优势或红方优势。

有兴趣者可以慢慢研究一 ...

黑黑第9回合改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]0717[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4][DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18][DhtmlXQ_comment76]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment76]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 07:45:56

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-4 00:48
黑黑第9回合改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？

好像是黑胜

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 10:36:40

聨吟客发表于 2014-7-4 16:18

这样防御可以吗
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]0717[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_6]2002[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_6][DhtmlXQ_comment52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52][DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]黑这样走，红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 12:52:15

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-30 15:14
第6回合黑方车4平5是最强着法，稍有优势，其余着法很多，但都无优势或红方优势。

有兴趣者可以慢慢研究一 ...

第9回合黑这样进攻，红这样防御行吗?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]0717[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment21]这样能防的住吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]黑这样走，红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
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炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-8-4 13:48:34

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-4 12:52
第9回合黑这样进攻，红这样防御行吗?

我看了1下35楼的排局，着法很精彩，内容宽紧、牵制之处颇多，堪与玩味，欣赏价值很高。其实，将华工网的精彩排局按照动态棋盘慢慢欣赏，其实就已经很不错了，呵呵。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 14:56:44

炎与夜发表于 2014-8-4 13:48
我看了1下35楼的排局，着法很精彩，内容宽紧、牵制之处颇多，堪与玩味，欣赏价值很高。其实，将华工网的精 ...

黑第11回合改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？好像黑可以胜
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]0717[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment21]这样能防的住吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]黑这样走，红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]败[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_44]红要变招，败[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_44]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]||黑一将一杀要变招，败[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]黑长杀，要变招[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 15:00:29

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-8-4 15:06 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-30 15:14
第6回合黑方车4平5是最强着法，稍有优势，其余着法很多，但都无优势或红方优势。

有兴趣者可以慢慢研究一 ...

此局新的发现越来越多，我快招架不住了（孤军作战，累啊），红棋摇摇欲坠，真担心变成黑胜

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 17:01:51

炎与夜发表于 2014-8-4 13:48
我看了1下35楼的排局，着法很精彩，内容宽紧、牵制之处颇多，堪与玩味，欣赏价值很高。其实，将华工网的精 ...

黑第6回合改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_18_4]0717[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_18_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_76]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_21]这样能防的住吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]黑这样走，红怎么办[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]败[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_44]红要变招，败[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_44]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]||黑一将一杀要变招，败[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]黑长杀，要变招[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_67]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_22]黑这样进攻呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_22]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 17:04:45

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-4 17:01
黑第6回合改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？

如图红先

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 18:58:03

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-30 15:14
第6回合黑方车4平5是最强着法，稍有优势，其余着法很多，但都无优势或红方优势。

有兴趣者可以慢慢研究一 ...

余老师，最后发现此局是黑胜，请看看对不对
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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-8-4 21:40:21

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-4 15:00
此局新的发现越来越多，我快招架不住了（孤军作战，累啊），红棋摇摇欲坠，真担心变成黑胜

复杂的局面如果驾驭不了，可以从简单的棋局开始，构思精巧比复杂多变更重要。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-8-4 21:49:56

另外，棋局未研究透就做出黑胜结论为时过早。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 23:10:56

象棋法官发表于 2014-8-4 21:49
另外，棋局未研究透就做出黑胜结论为时过早。

虽然还没有研究透，黑胜的感觉已经出来了，因为发现黑比想象的多了好几套进攻方案，这几套里总感觉应该有一套可以杀红的方案

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-4 23:21:28

象棋法官发表于 2014-8-4 21:49
另外，棋局未研究透就做出黑胜结论为时过早。

红是允许着法吗？
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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-8-4 23:24:08

兵可以长捉。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-8-5 07:59:04

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-4 18:58
余老师，最后发现此局是黑胜，请看看对不对

这样如何？

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 09:24:22

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-8-5 09:25 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-8-5 07:59
这样如何？

黑胜
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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-8-5 10:24:13

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 10:36:12

象棋法官发表于 2014-8-5 10:24

黑胜
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 11:26:47

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-5 10:36
黑胜

这样防守行吗
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]红要变着，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]217182867170404143224151[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment31][DhtmlXQ_comment49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-8-5 11:49:37

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-5 11:26
这样防守行吗

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]红要变着，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]217182867170404143224151[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 12:47:10

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-8-5 12:49 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-8-5 11:49

会和吗？（此局越来越复杂了，攻杀激烈，现在变化已经超过300变）
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]红要变着，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]217182867170404143224151[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment32]还是棋规问题[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]||红这样应呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment33][DhtmlXQ_comment51]和棋有望[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_9]32125051414043311232515432825450404131438212505141404331[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_9][DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]循环[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_38_10]1282515040413143[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_38_10][DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]循环和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-8-5 13:26:02

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]217182867170404143224151[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]还是棋规问题[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]||红这样应呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]和棋有望[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]循环和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38]红方一将一杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment38]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 14:38:45

yjr123 发表于 2014-8-5 13:26

实在想不出红可以守和的办法了，此局就真的是黑胜吗

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-8-5 14:44:16

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-5 14:38
实在想不出红可以守和的办法了，此局就真的是黑胜吗

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]217182867170404143224151[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_35_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]还是棋规问题[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]||红这样应呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]和棋有望[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_34_9]32125051414043311232515432825450404131438212505141404331[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_34_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]循环[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]循环和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]红方一将一杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 15:16:48

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yjr123 发表于 2014-8-5 14:44

前面这支变化（红第8回合车四进一）讨论过的，黑可以胜
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]||败[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑改成这样进攻，红怎么防御？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]红要变着，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]这样呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]红不杀黑，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]这样能和吗[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]还是棋规问题[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]||红这样应呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]和棋有望[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_51]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_19]这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑改成这样进攻可以胜，前面好像讨论过的[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]此路变化也可以胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-8-5 15:37:34

还说已经有300多变，专列一些劣变，而劣变是无穷的，整理一下，本局大概在20变之内。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 15:38:53

看来此局改名成【难逃虎口】才合适，尽管红有百般变化，黑总有相对应的高深手段取胜

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-5 16:10:03

yjr123 发表于 2014-8-5 15:37
还说已经有300多变，就这样能胜的变化不列，专列一些劣变，那就是有一万变有何用，要知道劣变是无穷的。

我并非有心列一些劣变，其实我比任何人都想知道此局的庐山真面目，54楼的变化还没有出来前我都在研究其它的支路，但都能和棋，也真的太复杂了，我一直在走弯路，直到54楼的出现，才确信黑胜，没想到被余老师捷足先登了。（假如没有32楼到53楼的基础，54楼没有那么快出来吧？）

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