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[残排局理论] 定式残局

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31#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-18 21:10:29 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:03 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
32#
发表于 2014-9-19 19:28:03 | 只看该作者
聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-18 20:59
非人力能解之局 ,也有很多60回合不吃子不兌子之局,數百回合方能破解,像武俠小說武功秘笈那樣會令人走火入魔 ...

想当初我向大家介绍【张夫人】时,大家都认为是我在神话【张】,现在大家都见识到【张】的真实了,武功秘笈一说也绝非夸张
33#
发表于 2014-9-20 07:30:24 | 只看该作者
yuntao云涛 发表于 2014-9-19 19:28
想当初我向大家介绍【张夫人】时,大家都认为是我在神话【张】,现在大家都见识到【张】的真实了,武功秘 ...

强软和残局库的区别在于:一个是根据局面当场计算并有很好表现,一个是事先利用穷举法创建并保存,使用时主要是查询,看到云涛贴的几局局面,已经基本上知道是怎么回事了,见以下链接:

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... mp;page=1#pid235226
34#
发表于 2014-9-20 16:43:54 | 只看该作者
可以使用、借鉴象棋软件,但不要迷信象棋软件,就算有了残局库,如何按排局的要求(红宜速胜,黑宜迟负)列出着法,是很难的,若是和棋,就更不好整理着法了。这是我总结PAI残局库的感受。
还有就是软件按照亚洲规则,排局按约定俗成的大陆规则,这样就无法统一结论,游戏规则不同,简直就没法一起玩。
软件还有几个弱点,一是它认为吃普通子和吃将帅的分数是一样的,这样就可能造成软件自动解的棋有速胜的可能;二是它会借无意义的将军来拖延步数,这在排局中属于无赖着法。三是残局库虽好,但它不会给你具体局面,还是需要人去排列组合出来一个局面,而这种局面不是漫无目的的组合,需要人的智慧和灵感。

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-21 00:56:09 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-9-21 01:09 编辑
zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-20 16:43
可以使用、借鉴象棋软件,但不要迷信象棋软件,就算有了残局库,如何按排局的要求(红宜速胜,黑宜迟负)列 ...


       说到规则,无意思的将军既然属于无赖着发,那么超过60回合的限制的残局或者排局可以不去研究了,还有就是制定亚洲规则的人也可以洗洗睡了。虽然我不懂象棋,但是好像没有裁判说无意义的将军属于无赖。无赖又属于违规的哪一个呢?
       对了,随便一个残局就有几十亿或者几百亿上千亿的的着发,如果书面表达,是不是太过于海量了,一个简单的炮高兵单士相对士象全残局有866E个局面,换算成数字文件为180MB,这是很小的局面了,现在更有一个残局超过45GB的存储空间,真不知道该如何表达。
       看来象棋还真不适合用软件来玩。
      
36#
发表于 2014-9-21 01:01:29 | 只看该作者
没必要探讨这个说法的问题,还是研究棋局吧,自娱自乐的游戏,大家一起自娱自乐。
37#
发表于 2014-9-21 01:48:07 | 只看该作者
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-21 00:56
说到规则,无意思的将军既然属于无赖着发,那么超过60回合的限制的残局或者排局可以不去研究了, ...

既然有对局面极限计算的能力,那么一直纠结的几个问题就可以得到解答了:
请阁下计算一下“七星”与“征西”这2个排局哪个变化更多?
38#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-21 21:50:01 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:04 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
39#
发表于 2014-9-22 12:46:48 | 只看该作者
人脑与电脑的区别。

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40#
发表于 2014-9-22 12:57:07 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-22 12:46
人脑与电脑的区别。

电脑走到这里能将很多回合,人不会。
41#
发表于 2014-9-22 13:03:51 | 只看该作者
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-17 16:28

回复16楼。红好像能速胜。
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42#
发表于 2014-9-22 13:20:15 | 只看该作者
呵呵,软件走错次序,第18回合应该先马7退6再象7进5.
43#
发表于 2014-9-22 13:23:27 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-9-22 13:20
呵呵,软件走错次序,第18回合应该先马7退6再象7进5.

没有错,电脑考虑马会被拴死。
44#
发表于 2014-9-22 23:04:05 | 只看该作者
双方都是电脑运行的`吧
45#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-26 22:27:03 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-9-26 22:28 编辑


软件随机自动排了个局面,有兴趣的请来解。
FEN:4k1c2/1P7/PPN1n4/1P4CNC/9/4r4/9/1p7/4pp3/3K1RB1R w - - 0 1
46#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-27 09:19:21 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:04 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
47#
发表于 2014-9-27 10:05:07 | 只看该作者
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-9-27 09:19

此局暴露出残局库的一个问题,把将帅和其他子等同看待,第51回合黑方软件选择被杀也不愿丢士。
48#
发表于 2014-9-28 23:32:13 | 只看该作者
这局面好像还说明个问题 双马对单缺象或单缺士 不是例胜局面
49#
发表于 2014-9-28 23:33:17 | 只看该作者
居然少打了个马字
50#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-5 12:55:40 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:04 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
51#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-5 12:59:31 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:04 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
52#
发表于 2014-10-5 20:50:11 | 只看该作者
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-5 12:55

回复50楼,红有速胜。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_121]黑方困毙,红方胜!||||红方分数:19999||黑方用时:     7.816秒||红方用时:    10.951秒||双方实际花费时间:    18.767秒||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_121]
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53#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-6 22:31:52 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:05 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
54#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-6 22:46:49 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:05 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
55#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-6 22:53:54 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 菜鸟来玩 于 2014-11-5 11:05 编辑

原帖删除,敬请谅解。
56#
发表于 2014-10-7 09:48:04 | 只看该作者
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-6 22:46

回复54楼,有疑问。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_767]黑方被将死,红方胜!||||红方分数:19999||黑方用时:   145.003秒||红方用时:   125.035秒||双方实际花费时间:   270.038秒[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_767]
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-15 10:19:04 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-15 10:23:27 | 只看该作者
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59#
发表于 2014-10-15 10:48:54 | 只看该作者
不用仔细研究,绝对有速胜。因为棋规问题,红方会主动规避让黑方犯规的速胜着法,意思就是:我不用棋规也能赢!但对弈和排局创作中,红胜局是按照“胜宜速胜,负宜迟负”的要求,会最大可能的利用棋规。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-15 11:16:23 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-10-15 10:48
不用仔细研究,绝对有速胜。因为棋规问题,红方会主动规避让黑方犯规的速胜着法,意思就是:我不用棋规也能 ...


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