【双车双马VS士象全】的“绝杀游戏”

湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-7 16:51:08

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-7 16:42

谢谢真的有规律可循

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-12-7 17:12:02

湖艓发表于 2014-12-7 15:19
请问法官士6进5可以吗？

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-7 20:40:49

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   如果不允许将死黑将，只要求困毙黑将，恐怕难以实现。因为困毙通常是在黑将为了防止被将死，被逼无奈所致。如果不允许将死黑将，黑方也就无所顾忌了，这样就只能利用黑方不能自杀的规则，用等着逼迫黑将自己走入困毙的绝境。
      如果觉得红方实力过强，可以适当减去一点红方实例。例如可以去掉红帅，或去掉一马或一车。

      这样的游戏排局，如时鑫老师所说，开局摆成对称图形较好。

湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-7 21:20:50

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-12-7 20:40
如果不允许将死黑将，只要求困毙黑将，恐怕难以实现。因为困毙通常是在黑将为了防止被将死，被逼无奈 ...

是的之间一直纠结这个曾先生解得真好

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-12-7 21:43:08

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33楼元芳的意思大概是说，不允许红方将军。如果将军，黑方不应将，那就被将死了。
如果连将军都不允许，以现有的子力，就不可能困毙了。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-7 21:49:42

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-7 15:55
应该有更简捷的走法：

回复21楼着法：第9步黑改走士4进5，红马不能卧槽，一卧槽就将死黑方了。
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-7 22:00:09

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-12-7 21:49
回复21楼着法：第9步黑改走士4进5，红马不能卧槽，一卧槽就将死黑方了。

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-7 22:30:01

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-7 22:00

这里还有很多变着。总之，一方想让另一方将死自己，而另一方偏偏不想将死对方，要给对方留活路。现在，都搞得我神经错乱了。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-7 22:44:16

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-12-7 22:30
这里还有很多变着。总之，一方想让另一方将死自己，而另一方偏偏不想将死对方，要给对方留活路。现 ...

我就按思路走了一遍，着法还需推敲。
21楼着法录制有误，24步车走了斜线，28步将死了。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-7 23:16:51

本帖最后由高原红于 2014-12-7 23:44 编辑

困死的方法太多了。不知最少要多少回可困死？
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湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-7 23:23:31

高原红发表于 2014-12-7 23:16

王老师的解法真是有如行云流水令人赏心悦目
虽然还有变化但总体思路应是这样了
谢谢各位老师

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 00:09:30

少一只车困死的难度要大很多！

湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-8 00:11:16

高原红发表于 2014-12-8 00:09
少一只车困死的难度要大很多！

那就是说仍然可行？

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 08:22:36

高原红发表于 2014-12-7 23:16
困死的方法太多了。不知最少要多少回可困死？

黑方如果走得顽强，应该能撑到20回合以上，红方如果走得有效率，应该会在30回合以内结束战斗。
双车双马可能容易了，车双马的困毙恐怕只能摆成，黑方不放水，红方是走不出的。
可以适当增加难度，用车双马加一兵，应该能按前面思路困毙。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 13:51:15

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-8 14:07 编辑

有些变化需要用到双车，车兵双马很难实现困毙：
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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:45:26

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★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-8 13:51
有些变化需要用到双车，车兵双马很难实现困毙：

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:48:35

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 15:31:54

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