对二炮争功的研究及诠正

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 17:24:10

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★星海★ · 发表于 2021-3-20 21:10:58

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2021-3-20 21:12 编辑

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-20 00:44
这局不就是"走马联营"吗？图势完全相同，“又进行了创作”是什么意思？《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权 ...

鞠发友是一位网友，擅长作曲和排局，我只知道这么多。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 22:43:10

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-20 22:55:49

好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

那麼二炮爭功原局到底正確結論如何呢

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 02:23:03

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-20 21:10
鞠发友是一位网友，擅长作曲和排局，我只知道这么多。

谢谢曾老师的介绍。

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 03:19:10

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-19 17:38

上页“129局二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的？此局本人注意了多年，但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此局在东萍象棋网，作为仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》第49局“护驾炮”列出。后经查阅仁人原谱，发现该谱的图势并非如此图，而是与这里的主题局“二炮争功”完全相同。那么，此局到底是谁改的？

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-21 03:40:19

刚才又进东萍网查了一下，发现上楼“护驾炮”局居然是属于667的个人棋谱仓库，难道此局是龚伟老师改的？真是有眼不识泰山！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-3-21 08:53:29

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-21 03:19
上页“129局二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的？此局本人注意了多年，但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此 ...

我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能查到的

直接複製貼上來
未做任何文字與走法增減

是誰修改我也不清楚

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2021-3-21 11:36:37

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 17:22

谢谢余老师，我的变是劣变，请邢先生原谅。。。

★星海★ · 发表于 2021-3-21 12:19:16

聨吟客发表于 2021-3-20 22:55
好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

到目前为止，没有发现和棋着法，菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规

yjr123 · 发表于 2021-3-21 12:55:35

★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-21 12:19
到目前为止，没有发现和棋着法，菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规

黑要赢也很难

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-6-10 10:58:35

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yjr123 发表于 2021-3-21 12:55
黑要赢也很难

目前也只有强软能走赢了吧

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-6-13 19:38:48

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-6-13 19:47:12

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-6 19:34:01

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-7-6 20:22:05

石川铃华老湿发表于 2022-6-13 19:47

吼

濕濕怎麼還沒玩夠啊

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-6 20:53:10

本帖最后由 xqahz010 于 2022-7-6 20:58 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 19:34

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26:58

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-6 20:53
我用正版旋风nnue验证了下，此变红可以正常守和，最后形成以下局面

能否贴出着法学习一下

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-6 23:07:13

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

明天吧，但不一定能走到这局面了

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-7 08:48:27

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

软件跑到，还请曾老师审阅
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam]
[DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
[DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam]
[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259959994799994584314299999999549999509999999985992948579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]85821115584800062405250782830646485846268382262805171519425219181736185836280725[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]2454575848186342540485454939584804084223084845483949483831412344250744360725384841315051181151521118483831413644250738331868443607253303493903093938090041313617383700702507173637387073383973333949362849482807[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_3]8545493958485404635504085051084845481828[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_8_4]6342[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_8_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]84545758480863755457756747656786575485250803252303052325050325230305293949395040054586655444405045555040554540504555[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]4765[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]破象黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-7 09:13:42

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_title]75楼第6回合黑改走卒6进1[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table]
[DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red]
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[DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black]
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[DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating]
[DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949994799992448319999999999639999509999999985992958999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]2429635529275536273750513121858321318373312151522131732331213615373015274828584849395242213123033020273528380313383613832040837347294858405035233646233150557370294770303949312346565868554523355646425246563040494840415657414457564443565743414544411157553527483811712507273547256858445452425545713154343133383758480729333029074858072942522907303345553313555713125747123247455848455532305545485845553040554540434546431346475848474613114647113147455242072931332907485837383332383742524565355434445466655566453738323055533031445452425358453354343134254742525859331438483444472544405949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment145]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-7 09:32:42

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 09:13

收到，学习中

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-7-8 18:26:03

xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 08:48
软件跑到，还请曾老师审阅

这样怎么和？
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259959994799994584314299999999549999509999999985992948579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]4548544259494263842429194818634418104436242050512030362849398582[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_22_1]85821115584800062405250782830646485846268382262805171519425219181736185836280725[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_22_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]2454575848186342540485454939584804084223084845483949483831412344250744360725384841315051181151521118483831413644250738331868443607253303493903093938090041313617383700702507173637387073383973333949362849482807[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_3]8545493958485404635504085051084845481828[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_8_4]6342[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_8_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]84545758480863755457756747656786575485250803252303052325050325230305293949395040054586655444405045555040554540504555[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]4765[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]破象黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_7]362410115152305052424939575850002412000819294729584829478584080684340646485831211233111333211343344446562113393844745646425246567478383958683949133443445242565334264765685853434232443426454333324234547870335358685333703033386858383630345457347436565868494874784847787047484232577770505659508077874566595668584849804087576678565878576587577658783231495931417808765508684050685855365808365708585040582841425958577658597655288840508858553658685053680853540818545118784241788851528808525408885455886855536818535618784140784836485949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_7]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D32437%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

xqahz010 · 发表于 2022-7-15 16:02:10

★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-8 18:26
这样怎么和？

最后黑方马炮多卒胜定。

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