作局的一点体会

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-1 17:31:41

★星海★ 发表于 2013-12-1 17:06
接走兵二平三可能红胜

還多了兵, 沒注意看

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-1 17:47:46

49局有意思,值得深研,還須複習一下古局與其他改局各種變化

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-12-1 17:51:14

本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2013-12-1 18:18 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2013-12-1 16:44

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-12-1 18:08:08

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2013-12-1 18:09 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2013-12-1 17:51

前面黑方走两步

已经将死了，帅走两步

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-12-1 18:19:48

本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2013-12-14 19:24 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2013-12-1 18:08
前面黑方走两步

已经将死了，帅走两步

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-20 17:10:02

桑莫喜发表于 2013-10-25 21:21
金鸡独立加兵局

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2013-12-20 19:44:59

本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2013-12-20 21:08 编辑

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-2 14:25:08

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-4-2 14:31 编辑

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-4-2 14:27:27

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-7 18:55:31

本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2014-5-7 19:23 编辑

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-4-2 14:27

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-7 19:13:10

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-7 19:13:39

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-7 20:17:21

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-4-2 14:27

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-7 20:34:27

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-4-2 14:27

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-5-8 10:48:15

桑莫喜发表于 2014-5-7 20:17
初解.

黑胜的
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-9 17:41:18

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-4-2 14:27

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-5-9 19:36:44

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-5-10 09:03 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2014-5-9 17:41
兵卒各移一步,可能有这路变化.

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-5-9 20:57:13

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-5-9 22:23:58

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2014-5-9 22:31 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2014-5-7 20:34
改成只样可否.

99楼的【移兵进卒】红第二招（车7进3）是黑胜局，因此少了一大主变，你此局改的使得主变又活了，非常好。然而《你的局》黑方毕竟主攻，黑刚过河卒借着黑炮参战，红方兵在八路与七路兵犯了同边之嫌(99楼同样)，如兵在一路残局时则可以左右夹攻求和。个人总觉得《你的局》红方过于凶险，恐难谋和，建议你先研究98楼的【移卒进兵】待有结果时《你的局》胜和自然就明了。
附99楼{红第二招《车7进3》是黑胜局}
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-10 17:07:05

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-5-9 22:23
99楼的【移兵进卒】红第二招（车7进3）是黑胜局，因此少了一大主变，你此局改的使得主变又活了，非常好。 ...

我给出的着法有问题很正常,我是用最快速度列出初拟着法,然进行研究,如果所列错误着法是否可行,如可行就可作为另一局的思路,我作局就用这种思路,也是在失败中出局面.

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-5-10 17:51:00

桑莫喜发表于 2014-5-10 17:07
我给出的着法有问题很正常,我是用最快速度列出初拟着法,然进行研究,如果所列错误着法是否可行,如可行就 ...

大家思路都差不多。我一般琢磨了原局的大部分变化后，在这基础上再寻找增加变化的空间，所以拟出的局偏向于复杂，难于断定结果，以至于至今我都拿不出较成功的一局好棋。究其原因有三点，1是不够专心于一局，2是解局功力不够，3是棋局复杂的使我放弃

桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-10 20:34:29

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-12 18:15:04

聨吟客发表于 2013-12-20 17:10

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-12 20:55:17

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-20 20:44:17

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-5-20 20:53:34

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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是变化繁复的大型古局之一，原载《百局象棋谱》卷三之首局，因棋局图案宛如金鸡独立而命题。清代另两部排局名谱《心武残编》和《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时，分别改名为“义释华容”和“雪压梅稍”。清代手稿本《渊深海阔》象棋谱亦收入此局，但题名以《心武残编》为蓝本，更改为“华容放曹“。四种古谱刊出此局的着法变化略有出入，变局数目也有所不同。《百谱》中为40变局，《心谱》32局，《竹谱》为27变局，《渊谱》则扩充为50变局。其共同之点是均误作红先和，实际应是红先黑胜局。尽管结论有误，但原作构思奇特，现在看来仍不失为精巧之作。全局较为细致地刻画了车、炮、兵、卒之间的矛盾争斗以及士象的巧妙运用。着法暗礁四伏，陷阱隐藏，异彩纷呈，引人入胜。||原谱共40变局，着法重复较多，现稍加整理，删繁就简，予以介绍。||||诠正着法注：本局原谱共40变局，原作意图是红先和，但实际上有的变局着法牵强，重复较多，且关键时刻的手筋着法未能点破，故结论有误。《心谱》、《竹谱》和《渊谱》在收入此局时，虽在变着上有所增减，但结论维持原作红先和。经笔者解析研究，本局正确的结论应为红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]红方此着亦可改变次序，先走车二进七，演成同样局面，见《心谱》、《竹谱》和《渊谱》所载。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平炮吃车妙，暗藏下着炮4进5堵塞的闷杀恶手。如改走士5进4吃车，则红车二进七照将后，即可放胆走炮一平五吃车，黑无还击手段。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]此乃原谱的错着，黑方因此失去胜机。应改走车7退2，以后再炮4进2。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]此处黑方另有平车着法，派生出的变化较多。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]另有两种着法，结果均属黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]此处除炮4平5的应着外，另有炮4进6打红底士的着法，见《心武残编》。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]至此，黑方有三种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]原谱2变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]原谱3变局兑车和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]原谱4变局兑炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]黑方另有一种着法是炮5退2，见《心谱》2变局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]双方不变和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]以后炮四退二再车八平四，红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_54]原谱5变局，兑车和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]先上山顶，成和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]此时红方另有三种变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]亦可炮1退2去兵[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]原谱7变局士守和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_39]成单车保士的和棋残局（原谱8变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]（一）平中炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_66]成独卒擒王局面，黑胜（原谱9变局，炮立中心劣黑胜）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_27]（二）拢兵劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_40]伏下着卒4平5杀，红无解着，黑胜（原谱10变局拢兵红劣黑胜）[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]（三）先拦炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_34]下伏车1进3捉士，黑胜（原谱11变局，先抵炮红劣黑胜）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]见原谱12变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_46]见《心谱》6变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_45]见原谱40变局，以下炮1平4去士，红有兵六进一杀着，但黑可采用抽将选位和借杀腾挪的战术，先手成杀，即走车3退3。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]原谱此着走炮四平一？[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_40]原谱1变局兑车和[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_20]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]原谱36变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_37]原谱37变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_19]同样防守，不如炮四退七打卒为好，可免除后患。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_35]黑方退炮后杀法同上[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_26]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_30]原谱14变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_15]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]原谱15变局红提炮劣，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_17]此时红方必须退车跟炮。否则，如走兵九平八，则炮4平5！照将，以下红如帅五平四，则车4平6杀；如落仕或支仕，则车4进3杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_20]如黑改走车4进4或卒5平4要杀，则红方均走车七进九，将4进1，兵四进一，将4进1，车七退二，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]至此，黑有三种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_26]黑方最佳应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_33]！||红如误走车九平六吃炮，则卒3平4，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_34]黑退车反杀妙！[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_48]原谱19变局，兑车和[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_40]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_55]直捣黄龙，红胜（原谱28变局，进车黑劣红胜）[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_45]原谱29变局红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_54]原谱26变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_50]原谱32变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]原谱31变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_36]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_45]原谱34变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_47]原谱27变局，黑车吃兵劣红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_38]原谱21变局，拢兵红劣黑胜||原谱39变局改车9退7为车9进1，虽结果同样是黑胜，但着法冗长，不可取。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_26]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_43]原谱22变局，弃炮黑劣一闲一将红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_27]按原谱23、24、25变局，红方对黑车4退1的应着帅五进一，比较消极，可按《心谱》着法，改走车九进七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_40]原谱23变局，将上顶劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_44]黑胜（原谱24变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_46]黑胜（原谱25变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_23]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_36]原谱20变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_32]原谱38变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_18]演成前述变化。此局黑方不先进一步炮而直接打仕，着法更见刚劲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_12]诠正着法的核心[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_20]下伏炮1进3绝杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]原谱16变局炮打卒劣，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_26]原谱35变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_30]双要杀，黑胜（原谱13变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_6]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_29]原谱17变局落士黑劣红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_6]下着卒2平3闷杀（原谱18变局红劣黑胜）[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_15]
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-7-6 12:25:37

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[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-10-1 21:09:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]笫49局新独步出营修改局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-7-6 12:30:07

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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-7-6 12:31:00

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[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]——双炮巧胜局。||着法：红先胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2014-7-6 12:31:25

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[DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
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