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yjr123
91#
发表于 2014-6-1 11:02:35 | 只看该作者
只要承认和棋定式，不用那么多回合。
接89楼：炮四平六
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-1 12:31:27 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-6-1 11:02
只要承认和棋定式，不用那么多回合。
接89楼：炮四平六

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]2507433379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]黑可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]这样就和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]这样！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]黑卒吃炮仍然是和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]正[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]“鸿雁惊寒”黑胜着法||||||　【大征西 初拟】[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]342440502420463637474121072536464737213133433141433346363747412120103646473750403343214143334171334371791012795912424636374740304232364647375939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]2000364647372101001050403343014143334171[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]14104111[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]463637474858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]5859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]3343404379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]484937384636384849394858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]4939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_20]4979465657475040433356464737382879394050[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_13]072546565747504043334049[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]4333314133434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]435331417959405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]正着，黑方没有手段。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]504079593848433331415949484965474656575840475848[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]53434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]43535646475731417949465657584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]4757314179594050595046565758384858595657[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]应该这样，黑方无手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_26_21]50303323[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_26_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_29_22]3323[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]软[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]405025074131433346565747503033433040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_25]4353405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_24]59494656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]得兵，黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_27_27_26]33434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_27_27_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]软[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_27]3141594948496547[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
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yjr123
93#
发表于 2014-6-1 14:51:57 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]2507433379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]黑可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]这样就和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]48387974382874242838247438287424281847483646334346364353364653434000483846363848004043533646534340004838000924444636384836374353090848495141495941514454514154441828534341316547283844743848744448384445081859493727457518194959384875454838457527285958191775781718783828385859[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]这样！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]黑卒吃炮仍然是和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]正[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]“鸿雁惊寒”黑胜着法||||||　【大征西 初拟】[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]342440502420463637474121072536464737213133433141433346363747412120103646473750403343214143334171334371791012795912424636374740304232364647375939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]2000364647372101001050403343014143334171[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]14104111[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]463637474858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]5859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]3343404379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]484937384636384849394858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]4342413148383949384830404252493925073646524240500725505448585464658764848765465665878444254744545848545047255040485856465848463642523132483839298765402025072919384836466587202252513231072522215150313025472120472520102507463650601060072519292507293987653646658760404858303187653141584840800725808565878535876535454858394965874585584849592507464748585949072947378765493929474142585785864725861657581617250717165859372759582717654717075848071748581727472516365857273757583747250736160729474858573929[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]4939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_20]4979465657475040433356464737382879394050[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_13]072546565747504043334049[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_25_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]4333314133434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]435331417959405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]正着，黑方没有手段。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]504079593848433331415949484965474656575840475848[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]53434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]43535646475731417949465657584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]4757314179594050595046565758384858595657[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]应该这样，黑方无手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_26_21]50303323[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_26_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_23_29_22]3323[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]软[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]405025074131433346565747503033433040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_25]4353405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_24]59494656[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]得兵，黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_27_27_26]33434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_27_27_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]软[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_27]3141594948496547[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-1 21:45:54 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-1 09:21
蒋兄是认定此局式黑胜了吗？不如您和余兄打个擂台。
规则如下：
从下楼开始，用89楼的初始局面，由余兄执 ...

赵兄： 打擂可以，也很有趣！不过，89楼的初始局面都研究很透了，我认为没有这个必要！若真有探讨本局究竟是胜是和的话，我看从25、26楼赵兄所提的新书中的关键局面（即红炮六平八）开始，因这之后的变化都更有价值与深入研究之必要，通过打擂这一形式，得出的结论更有说服力！！！当然，因双方都未必研究得很透彻，可以不在时间上苛刻的要求10分钟必须回复，而可以在10小时，最多12小时内回复即可！这样，双方都可有较充分的考虑时间，这样最后得出的结论也更可靠！！！ （再补充一句，此89楼的局面的结果并不能说明此局的结论！）  
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-1 21:55:09 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-5-14 00:48
其实，《江湖第一排局-鸿雁双飞》书中，走到14楼、23楼及25楼的第19回合结束时，如下图

此时轮红走，书中 ...

即如下图，红走炮六平八：
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[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2007-10-26 9:30:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2007-10-26 9:30:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]第105局 鸿雁双飞[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]0[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]533420[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]4858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]
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zhaodi
96#
发表于 2014-6-1 22:42:45 | 只看该作者
糊糊涂涂，上楼（95楼）的起初局面不就是89楼的初始局面吗？

初始局面即一开始的局面，不是最终局面。

点击下面的链接，直接在线研讨吧http://www.renrousousuo.com/Chin ... nnel=chineseChess22

约个时间，每天晚20时开始等候。
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97#
发表于 2014-6-2 06:35:37 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2007-10-26 9:30:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]第105局 鸿雁双飞[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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yjr123
98#
发表于 2014-6-2 08:38:49 | 只看该作者
在线研讨网页我打不开
论坛不是对弈平台，研究方式就是一方显示手段，另一方质疑，这样才可以较快得出结论。
一贴一步的方式不适合论坛。
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99#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-2 17:21:15 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-1 22:42
糊糊涂涂，上楼（95楼）的起初局面不就是89楼的初始局面吗？

初始局面即一开始的局面，不是最终局面。

我每晚在线时间有限，不太适宜！
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100#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-2 17:21:38 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-6-2 08:38
在线研讨网页我打不开
论坛不是对弈平台，研究方式就是一方显示手段，另一方质疑，这样才可以较快得出结论 ...

  很赞同！！！
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101#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-2 17:23:09 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-5-29 09:57
黑方无手段

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[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2007-10-26 9:30:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2007-10-26 9:30:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]第105局 鸿雁双飞[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_length]0[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]2507433379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]黑可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]这样就和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]48387974382874242838247438287424281847483646334346364353364653434000483846363848004043533646534340004838000924444636384836374353090848495141495941514454514154441828534341316547283844743848744448384445081859493727457518194959384875454838457527285958191775781718783828385859[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]这样！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]黑卒吃炮仍然是和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]正[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]“鸿雁惊寒”黑胜着法||||||　【大征西 初拟】[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]2000364647372101001050403343014143334171[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]14104111[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]3343404379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]484937384636384849394858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]4342413148383949384830404252493925073646524240500725505448585464658764848765465665878444254744545848545047255040485856465848463642523132483839298765402025072919384836466587202252513231072522215150313025472120472520102507463650601060072519292507293987653646658760404858303187653141584840800725808565878535876535454858394965874585584849592507464748585949072947378765493929474142585785864725861657581617250717165859372759582717654717075848071748581727472516365857273757583747250736160729474858573929[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]4939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]4333314133434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]435331417959405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]正着，黑方没有手段。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]504079593848433331415949484965474656575840475848[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]53434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]43535646475731417949465657584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]4757314179594050595046565758384858595657[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]应该这样，黑方无手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]413149593848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment34][DhtmlXQ_comment22]软 并不软！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22][DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_20]4979465657475040433356464737382879394050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_20]
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yjr123
102#
发表于 2014-6-2 17:33:23 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]2507433379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_13_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]黑可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]这样就和了[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]48387974382874242838247438287424281847483646334346364353364653434000483846363848004043533646534340004838000924444636384836374353090848495141495941514454514154441828534341316547283844743848744448384445081859493727457518194959384875454838457527285958191775781718783828385859[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]这样！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]黑卒吃炮仍然是和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]正[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]“鸿雁惊寒”黑胜着法||||||　【大征西 初拟】[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]342440502420463637474121072536464737213133433141433346363747412120103646473750403343214143334171334371791012795912424636374740304232364647375939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]2000364647372101001050403343014143334171[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]14104111[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]463637474858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]5859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]3343404379494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]484937384636384849394858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]4342413148383949384830404252493925073646524240500725505448585464658764848765465665878444254744545848545047255040485856465848463642523132483839298765402025072919384836466587202252513231072522215150313025472120472520102507463650601060072519292507293987653646658760404858303187653141584840800725808565878535876535454858394965874585584849592507464748585949072947378765493929474142585785864725861657581617250717165859372759582717654717075848071748581727472516365857273757583747250736160729474858573929[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]4939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]4333314133434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]435331417959405053435059[/DhtmlXQ_move_16_27_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]正着，黑方没有手段。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]504079593848433331415949484965474656575840475848[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_26_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]53434043[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_33_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]43535646475731417949465657584050[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_29_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]4757314179594050595046565758384858595657[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_31_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]应该这样，黑方无手段[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_21_29_22]3323[/DhtmlXQ_move_21_29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]413149593848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]黑胜定！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_34]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]软 并不软！[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_25_32_24]5040[/DhtmlXQ_move_25_32_24]
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103#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-5 23:51:36 | 只看该作者
雨中萱 发表于 2014-5-14 10:01

虽然这个局面可和，但并不能决定本局的胜和结论！
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[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局面红先可和；||黑先也可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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104#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-6 00:00:20 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-5-14 13:47
现在看来，27楼局面是关键。

现在看来，非也！27楼之局面也不是决定胜和的关键局面！！而26楼第二回合形成的局面才是本局的关键局面之一！！！  如下图：
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-6 00:10:03 | 只看该作者
大征西 发表于 2014-6-6 00:00
现在看来，非也！27楼之局面也不是决定胜和的关键局面！！而26楼第二回合形成的局面才是本局的关键局面之 ...

关于黑制胜之着，我此时先不说，相信高手们看过楼上棋图后会发现黑胜之道的！！！
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yjr123
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大征西 发表于 2014-6-6 00:10
关于黑制胜之着，我此时先不说，相信高手们看过楼上棋图后会发现黑胜之道的！！！

我相信，现在论坛上除你之外，都是低手了。
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蒋兄很幽默，输棋不输人！

我在25楼、26楼的帖子，意思是说书中的着法有错误，可以黑胜。但如果应对无误的话，结论是和棋。

如你104楼所说，“第2回合黑改走它着，可以黑胜”，因红在将军，将无法动，黑只有改走卒6平7，改走平7后，我也看不出黑方如何获胜？

棋艺研究说不严肃是仁者见仁智者见智，说严肃是结论不能以讹传讹，混淆是非，特别是在网络上，对棋局结论要服从客观的结果，以具体着法来说话，少一些意气用事的“大话”。为现在排局界及后人留下一些清晰的结论，避免后人拿我们诠正过的棋局再诠正，看我们的“笑话”。

以此和大家共勉。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-7 01:35:38 | 只看该作者
赵兄后几句说的有道理！我也赞同！我也认为，“特别是在网络上，对棋局结论要服从客观的结果（但要看客观的结果究竟是什么！）以具体着法来说话，少一些意气用事的“大话”。”
而且，在网络上，尤其是探讨棋局，关键就是看你的着法！一切以着法为准，空论无益！
赵兄认为，104楼 第2回合。。。“黑只有改走卒6平7，改走平7后，我也看不出黑方如何获胜？”
这话说得不错。也就是说，赵兄您认为，黑走卒6平7后，黑不能胜，仍是和。那好，就请您给出红棋的和棋着法，看看究竟能不能成立。这总可以吧！
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-7 01:42:47 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-6-6 06:35
我相信，现在论坛上除你之外，都是低手了。

余兄，我并不是这个意思！我发帖的本意，就是探讨棋局之胜和结论！根本没有您认为的所谓高手、低手的意思！而且，我水平不高，就这么点儿水平。如果言语不周，请见谅！
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-7 02:17:13 | 只看该作者
回 107 楼
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大征西 发表于 2014-6-7 01:42
余兄，我并不是这个意思！我发帖的本意，就是探讨棋局之胜和结论！根本没有您认为的所谓高手、低手的意思 ...

相信高手们看过楼上棋图后会发现黑胜之道的！！！

这句话怎么解释？

实际上是现在没有人发现黑胜之道，只有你发现了。所以除你之外，都是低手。但你这个高手却不愿把黑胜之道公布出来。
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这局棋的提问应该是：黑怎么胜？而不是红怎么和。所以黑方要列举黑胜的着法。

另外，蒋兄帖子中说：
“赵兄认为，104楼 第2回合。。。“黑只有改走卒6平7，改走平7后，我也看不出黑方如何获胜？”
这话说得不错。也就是说，赵兄您认为，黑走卒6平7后，黑不能胜，仍是和。那好，就请您给出红棋的和棋着法，看看究竟能不能成立。这总可以吧！”
这句话有演绎之处，我说“我也看不出黑方如何获胜？”，但我没说“仍是和”，即我不排除黑有胜的可能，但我的棋力看不出。

既然以着法为准，我就接一招。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-9 00:11:14 | 只看该作者
zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-7 10:18
这局棋的提问应该是：黑怎么胜？而不是红怎么和。所以黑方要列举黑胜的着法。

另外，蒋兄帖子中说：


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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-9 01:35:51 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-6-7 07:12
相信高手们看过楼上棋图后会发现黑胜之道的！！！

这句话怎么解释？

余兄，此局深奥复杂，先看如下局面！
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-10 23:52:51 | 只看该作者
回 楼上！
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发表于 2014-6-11 12:44:47 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软，黑应改着仍可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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118#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-12 15:28:09 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软，黑应改着仍可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]5848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]这样，红怎么和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
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119#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-6-12 15:35:43 | 只看该作者
接 114 楼！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]26楼关键局面之一[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]26楼形成关键局面之二[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
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120#
发表于 2014-6-12 16:37:47 | 只看该作者
回118楼

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]软，黑应改着仍可胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 26楼之胜和关键局面！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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