[求助]“战全军”该怎么修改？

抱不平 · 发表于 2008-6-13 16:16:00

12.黑走象7进9的确复杂,红方是否可这样走取胜:

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二位高手!

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-13 17:03:00

这样走似乎成立，黑方还有一些应法，顶多迟负一两回合。

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-13 17:21:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用抱不平在2008-6-13 16:16:00的发言：

12.黑走象7进9的确复杂,红方是否可这样走取胜:

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二位高手!

第4回合黑方走士４退５呢？

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-13 17:33:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用yjr123在2008-6-13 17:21:00的发言：

第4回合黑方走士４退５呢？

看错了一回合。红方第3回合改变着法可胜：

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-6-13 18:16:00

第2回合黑方改走马８退６呢？

抱不平 · 发表于 2008-6-14 12:38:00

2.黑改马8退6,红胜应该没问题吧.

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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-17 15:59:00

改局试试　　变化一：

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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5]404121204140202340416151[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]准备退马回防，否则速败[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]无解[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]另有几种走法似乎都是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]红好走[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]！绝杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_21]速胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_21]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-17 16:11:00

变化二：

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[DhtmlXQ_comment19]保持变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红方胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]黑方多子好走[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-17 16:12:00

变化三：

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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]83848949778749437866585966456454455354533000615150515363[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]因红方有炮一进四的杀棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-17 17:34:00

干得不错！红方边兵有什么用？后备力量吗？

请看第4种变化：

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[DhtmlXQ_comment19]保持变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红方胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]黑方多子好走[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-18 16:15:00

呵呵，果然好变化，推演了一下，基本上是黑胜，列一种变化：

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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-18 16:24:00

红加边兵主要是为了第三种变化的第8回合，如果没有边兵，黑方可以平炮，再进炮到加边兵的位置。化解这一变化中关键的红炮一进四的进攻线路。

此局要改红胜其实也并不难，如下图加相就可以了，可以化解黑方边象的变化，只是少了许多精彩变化，可惜了

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-18 17:28:00

131楼应该没问题了吧，大家再看看。

高原红 · 发表于 2008-6-18 22:32:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-5-26 10:34:00的发言：
补充一下：这是在象棋大师网看到的，谁知道作者？

该局刊载于1961年象棋杂志2期27页，名趣味排局作者郭霈琪。原局在3、5位还有一红相。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_title][/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5552686959586959585986785958504071615150525141525121404121204140893977673934675758485747654778663431667420214041615141512120[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959996599998955719999999968864232514160315021307776246483[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4152898350408381515081805051716151418081[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]608289824152512140412120414020234041615141512320[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_16_3]32418242301061605051424340604353[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_16_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_4]324189493010615150514943[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_4] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/dispbbs.asp%3FboardID%3D48%26ID%3D19433%26star%3D14%26page%3D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator] http://www.dpxq.com/ [/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-19 16:36:00

红方不容易胜吧？

高原红 · 发表于 2008-6-20 00:20:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-6-19 16:36:00的发言：
红方不容易胜吧？

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抱不平 · 发表于 2008-6-20 06:07:00

呵呵,没人想到加相这一招!

.我觉得改局可提高排局水平.也是快速学会排局的好方法.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-20 08:02:00

仍然没有解决这个问题

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rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-22 17:59:00

134楼的图是黑胜，红方没有加三路相口兵，黑方第七回合可以下士[138楼已经列出变化了]

132楼的图势应该红胜没问题了，加七路相可以避免星海提出的第四种变化。其他详见127-129楼我列出的变化。

古婺 · 发表于 2008-6-22 18:53:00

无意中在手头资料翻到了这样两局,原谱着法如下: 第1局 . <满江红红先胜 >

第2局满堂红红先胜

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-23 08:54:00

多谢古兄，你这两局很有参考价值。

rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-23 21:52:00

我怎么看不到古婺的图?

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-6-24 09:22:00

目前使用Windows xp的朋友，如在论坛上打不开java动态棋盘，去下裁、安装java虚拟机。
下载安装即可（点击以下网址）:
http://www.it315.org/download/JavaVM/JavaVM.htm

667 · 发表于 2008-6-24 09:52:00

使用Windows xp的朋友：如打不开本站的java动态棋盘，请下载、安装:

java虚拟机（简体中文）

rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-24 10:00:00

谢谢了

古婺,还知道我是谁吗,当时我给你满堂红资料的时候,还真不知道后来有那么多的变化,哈哈

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2008-6-24 11:01:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用rock0705在2008-6-24 10:00:00的发言：

谢谢了

古婺,还知道我是谁吗,当时我给你满堂红资料的时候,还真不知道后来有那么多的变化,哈哈

红叶——沐俊杰吗？

667 · 发表于 2008-6-24 11:15:00

哈哈

俊杰相见欢！

rock0705 · 发表于 2008-6-29 12:26:00

是的,就是我,还有老朋友,天宇浪人,哈哈

古婺 · 发表于 2008-6-29 15:05:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用rock0705在2008-6-24 10:00:00的发言：

谢谢了

古婺,还知道我是谁吗,当时我给你满堂红资料的时候,还真不知道后来有那么多的变化,哈哈

以为隐居江湖,金盆洗手了,哈哈,开心! 有朋自远方来,不亦乐乎!

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