“鸿雁双飞”大探讨！！！

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-12 18:00:04

大征西发表于 2014-6-12 15:35
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]26楼关键局面之一[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]26楼形成关键局面之二[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-13 23:56:29

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-12 16:37
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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-14 08:44:37

大征西发表于 2014-6-13 23:56

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-14 12:58:34

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-12 18:00

黑可胜！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]||原注：||（与附录8第19着以后着法相同）||||续录附录8第19着以后着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]此图同25楼最后局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]26楼关键局面之一[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_4]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_30]
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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-14 13:02:47

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-14 08:44

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-14 13:08:22

大征西发表于 2014-6-14 13:02

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-15 00:11:15

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-14 13:08

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-15 21:42:21

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-16 02:10:31

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-16 06:56:00

大征西发表于 2014-6-16 02:10

已经回到第4回合同样形势，黑方没有手段取胜，判和。

一卒擎天 · 发表于 2014-6-16 10:46:34

一个变化研究这长时间，如是以前需几年了，没啥结果啊。。。
这位朋友是否刻意打压鸿雁双飞。。。
征西是“王中王”。。。。。。

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-16 10:52:53

大征西发表于 2014-6-16 02:10

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-16 11:25:53

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-16 10:52

准备永远循环？

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-16 11:53:11

我猜蒋兄在试应招，下步他就走卒4平5了。

大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-16 22:45:05

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-16 11:53
我猜蒋兄在试应招，下步他就走卒4平5了。

这就叫当局者不同于旁观者！！！

大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-17 00:14:16

yjr123 发表于 2014-6-16 11:25
准备永远循环？

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-17 00:19:37

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-16 10:52

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-17 00:20:23

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-17 00:21:41

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-17 00:20

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-17 00:28:18

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-19 00:18:02

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-17 00:28

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-19 01:22:31

大征西发表于 2014-6-19 00:18

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-6-19 06:51:22

大征西发表于 2014-6-17 00:14
请余兄稍安勿躁！我曾发过一帖，提到《棋例裁决初探》，其中说得很明白，所谓循环，必须要出现三个重复局 ...

这并非是对弈，需要三次重复才算循环，而是你说已经掌握了此局面黑方取胜之法，下了黑胜的结论，发帖只是根据红方应法演示一路杀法罢了，一旦出现重复局面，即可证明你并没有找到取胜路径，黑胜之说也是瞎掰而已。

淡雨随风 · 发表于 2014-6-19 13:22:56

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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_date]0000-00-00[/DhtmlXQ_date]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]6[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]4652[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]533420[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]象棋谱大全[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一，列原谱卷二的首局，变化十分复杂，末后形成炮兵残局，有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局，结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时，在着法上作了很多补充，共列正变79个着法，改名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着，防黑下着炮3平5后，黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能，故先飞相拆除炮架。此外，另有两种着法：||||如图局面，原谱有30变局，整理归纳以后，黑方有三种主要变着：[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_24]损失步数，以致红方有和局的可能，此着应改卒5平4，则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮，争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_48]暗藏杀手，剑拔弩张，红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_53]喂炮后成妙和，着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_55]双相高飞，点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局，此着黑方改走炮5平8，演变结果黑胜，原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局，双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局，黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]此着原谱为炮7进3，着法比较消极，错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将，投石问路，这是黑方制胜的重要途径。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]否则，黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4，迫红帅退至下二路，然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_34]缓着，应改走炮5进3，黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略，和局（原谱24变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局，回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局，回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]？||应改炮5进1，黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]此着原谱走炮5退7，不够积极有力，现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理，黑卒6平5，即成绝杀。因此，红方唯有帅六退一，则黑再退炮打兵，可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一，均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局，拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手，以下九路兵渡河作战，黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局，炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是，为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目，着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外，基本上保持古谱原貌。另外，为便于读者赏析和进一步研究，诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着，着法变化十分复杂，其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后，增为79变着，改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。现经反复研究，两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的，正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此，已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述，遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后，由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按，张雄飞研究此局颇有心得，他生前曾函编选者谈及此局，说他前后十余年，大大小小的条子写了不少，拟变不下数百则，初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂，尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后，黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究，第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和（原谱15变局变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局，劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局，此着红自变兵二平三，黑卒4进1劣，结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。（原谱17变局，但原谱着法有误，实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道）[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀，不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-20 00:32:08

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-19 01:22

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-20 14:00:45

大征西发表于 2014-6-20 00:32

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-20 20:44:02

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-20 14:00

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-20 21:39:56

大征西发表于 2014-6-20 20:44

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大征西 · 发表于 2014-6-21 00:09:53

zhaodi 发表于 2014-6-20 21:39

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zhaodi · 发表于 2014-6-21 00:41:54

大征西发表于 2014-6-21 00:09

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