百年悬案“双象难题” 孙立

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-9-27 16:59:46

回复4楼余兄，及15楼孙兄参考
我认为15楼孙兄指出的” 其实本“棋形”存在两大体系变着：(一)象5进3、(二)象5退7，现通过第五局、第六局列出。”两大体系是有道理的，即象5进3与退7.本人将研究所得贴出，请指正。

一、4楼余兄的象5退7着法，我认为还有可商榷之处，即可以红速胜。

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二，将我研究的解法粘贴如下

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为此，我认为象5进3应为主变。着法准确性还未研究。（目前暂未考虑60回合限着问题）

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-9-27 21:17:47

回复楼上，黑还有顽强着法

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再者，楼上象5退7变，有规则问题。

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-9-29 22:00:20

我的完整着法

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标题: 车炮士胜车双象             结果: 红方胜

【主变: 红胜】
1.  车六平四将６平５    2.  炮四平五象５进３ ①
3.  车四平五将５平６    4.  车五平六象３退１ ②
5.  炮五退二车３进６    6.  帅六退一车３退２
7.  车六平四将６平５    8.  仕六退五象３进５
9.  仕五进四车３平５    10. 炮五进一车５退２
11. 帅六进一车５进３    12. 车四退一将５进１
13. 车四进二象１退３    14. 车四进二象３进１
15. 车四平九象１进３    16. 车九退七车５退３
17. 车九进六将５退１    18. 帅六进一将５平６
19. 车九平六车５进２    20. 车六退三车５退１
21. 车六平四将６平５    22. 车四退二将５进１
23. 炮五进二将５退１    24. 仕四退五将５进１
25. 帅六退一将５退１    26. 帅六退一车５退２
27. 仕五进六将５平４    28. 炮五退二车５进４
29. 车四平六将４平５    30. 帅六平五将５平６
31. 车六平四将６平５    32. 车四退一车５退１
33. 帅五平四象３退１    34. 车四进七将５进１
35. 车四退四车５进１    36. 帅四进一将５平４
37. 车四平六将４平５    38. 车六平九象１退３
39. 车九平七将５平４    40. 车七平六将４平５
41. 车六进二车５退１    42. 帅四进一将５退１
43. 车六进一车５退１    44. 车六平四象３进１
45. 车四平七将５平４    46. 车七平五红胜定

变①接主变第2回合
2.  ………… 象５退７       3.  车四平三象７进９
4.  炮五退二车３平４ ③④⑤ 5.  车三平七象３进１
6.  车七平五将５平６    7.  车五退一象１退３
8.  车五平四将６平５    9.  车四平七象３进１
10. 车七平五将５平６    11. 帅六平五车４平６
12. 炮五平二车６进６    13. 帅五退一车６进１
14. 帅五进一车６退７    15. 炮二进九车６进６
16. 帅五退一车６进１    17. 帅五进一车６退７
18. 车五进四将６进１    19. 炮二平四车６平７
20. 车五退四象１退３    21. 车五平四车７平６
22. 炮四退二红胜定。

变②接主变第4回合
4.  ………… 象３进１       5.  炮五退二车３平６
6.  仕六退五将６进１    7.  车六进二将６退１
8.  车六退六将６进１    9.  仕五进四车６平５
10. 炮五进一车５进１    11. 车六进三象３退５
12. 帅六进一象１退３    13. 车六平四将６平５
14. 车四进四象３进１    15. 车四退三车５进１
16. 车四平七将５平６    17. 车七进二将６退１
18. 车七平五红胜定。

变③接变①第4回合
4.  ………… 车３平６       5.  仕六退五将５平６
6.  车三平六象３进５    7.  车六退四象５进７
8.  仕五进四车６平５    9.  帅六退一将６进１
10. 车六进三车５平３    11. 车六进三将６退１
12. 车六退二将６进１    13. 炮五平四将６平５
14. 车六平五象７退５    15. 炮四平五车３平１
16. 车五平九象５退３    17. 仕四退五将５平６
18. 车九平四车１平６    19. 炮五平四
打死黑车，红胜定。

变④接变①第4回合
4.  ………… 车３进７       5.  车三平五将５平６
6.  帅六平五车３退１    7.  帅五进一车３平６
8.  车五平七象３进１    9.  车七进一车６退１
10. 帅五退一黑象必丢。红胜定。

变⑤接变①第4回合
4.  ………… 车３进６       5.  帅六退一车３退４ ⑥
6.  仕六退五象３进５    7.  仕五进四车３平５
8.  车三进一将５平６    9.  车三平四将６平５
10. 车四平五将５平６    11. 车五平四红胜。

变⑥接变⑤第5回合
5.  ………… 车３平６       6.  车三进一车６平９
7.  仕六退五象３进５    8.  车三平五将５平６
9.  车五平四红胜。

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