【游戏局】车双马兵能困毙士象全吗？

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:27:44

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:34:46

解释一下，1、这个铁士象不同于让车局的铁马炮和让双马局的铁中兵。士象可以随意走动，红方在任何时候都不得吃子。2、红方不能将死黑方，只可以困毙。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 15:43:25

应该叫单车双马单兵帅，能困毙黑将双士双象吗？答案：能！！

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 15:52:13

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 16:09:09

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 17:43:18

[/quote] 如果黑方撑起两个羊角士，红方想困毙是很难的。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 23:10:52

如果黑方撑起两个羊角士，红方想困毙是很难的。[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]4939999948999959999999469999999999992030405060999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车双马兵能困毙铁士象吗？[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]59675041675541525563304139274132271520024989608289798260797102246382240282614041152360426173414071315241736140502344505144635150311142241117244217574152485832415717422463445051443651501715505136174132151151501705244205134264464564824544826411316482132182643130505130400220617364427381426481626482628320024443022043332002332302202133324123224132222132412131413083623041407082647076648276168264161141303314648214358260352360822344826044636082637582607583608230413130204230408264625464825435422035432042836282645859648262708260[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]404167556042556320024989022089814140392730416382403027154260826120421523608223113031617342647352644282644645648245448264444364824353826453636482637382608171[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_2]515261404264464564824544826431114454648263715251113182644021648221138264545302203111648213052042051742241736240236558264536364826373022455432442[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_3]41301511515017053041051324421321413046454264454430416180413280723241111341321383648283630224636182647284648284638264617164827176826476162402161164826371505121133241443482641332644234330224332324022313[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_4]324161805040313340508072826433634132636164827284826484636482617182647176648276168264161164826371505121133241443482641332644234330224332324022313[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_4] [/DhtmlXQ]

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 23:15:56

这二种形肯定走成。所以必困毙！ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1121999958999961999999469999999999990241505242999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车双马兵能困毙铁士象吗？[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1121999958999963999999469999999999990232505242999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车双马兵能困毙铁士象吗？[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-8 23:40:32

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湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-9 00:46:13

[/quote] 第十三回合黑不下士呢？黑双士能否一直保持羊角不动留到最后可以走闲？

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 00:59:16

第十三回合黑不下士呢？黑双士能否一直保持羊角不动留到最后可以走闲？[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]4939999948999959999999469999999999992030405060999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车双马兵能困毙铁士象吗？[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5967504167554152556330413927413227152002498960828979826079710224638224028261404115236042617341407131426473614050485802243130505130402402464502246173240273816482816282644544022444342402234464823433022433232402232202242221240221310220404382604323200223210220313032413040608262708260443220422111[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]404167556042556320024989022089814140392730416382403027154260826120421523608223113031617342647352644282644645648245448264444364824353826453636482637382608171[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_56_2]24421321413046454264454430416180413280723241111341321383648283630224636182647284648284638264617164827176826476162402161164826371505121133241443482641332644234330224332324022313[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_56_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_5_64_3]51418263244221130220464542604544608213342002341502241523443482603433608223042402041602241635240235540224[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_64_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_67_4]58484264483864824645826445446482304041314454826063716042545342605363604263624260626102206151524121132002133402243422240240104152101302201363200263615241718360828362826051506082504002202210826062436042[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_67_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_5]524173614050234450514463515031114224111724421757415248583241571742246344505144365150171550513617413015115150170530410513413211313241132141323130505161823241304024428274426474620224464524024544648244438264433364823323413221130220232220022221022021313241407041327073826073236082232132413130204230404220213120023111826413326442625402245446240246340224585724023413[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_6]6082313032413040826444326442625402245446240246340224211124023413[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_6] [/DhtmlXQ]

湖艓 · 发表于 2014-12-9 01:01:36

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 00:59

原来是分几个步骤禁士啊

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 10:36:55

高原红发表于 2014-12-8 23:40

9楼思路正确，走到31回合，看到了胜利的曙光。
51、52回合应退士。
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 10:41:14

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 11:53:05

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 12:17:28

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:00:05

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 12:17

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:15:06

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:28:57

估计会有速胜，60回合以内应该没问题。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 19:21:17

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-9 21:12 编辑

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 21:14:44

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-9 19:21

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 21:39:31

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:14:46

本帖最后由高原红于 2014-12-9 22:16 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-9 21:39
补充变化：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:18:14

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 21:14

好像还不对，这样如何速胜？
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:27:46

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-9 22:34 编辑

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 22:14

23楼还能速胜
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:43:47

黑方应该有更顽强的走法，
看来找到双方最佳着法还不容易。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:45:57

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★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-9 22:18
好像还不对，这样如何速胜？

你进兵太猛了点！就你认为不行的这形，变化到原来研究过的着法同样可困毙！.

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:10:44

哦，我是说这样不能速胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:16:46

中兵和边兵基本可以确定能困毙，只是最佳着法还要费脑筋。
兵在三、七路就很难了。黑方可以在河口放一铁象阻挡红兵过河。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:35:38

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-9 23:16
中兵和边兵基本可以确定能困毙，只是最佳着法还要费脑筋。
兵在三、七路就很难了。黑方可以在河口放一铁象 ...

可以再探讨一下！自娱自乐很开心！

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