《瓮中捉鳖》

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-6 14:48:14

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 10:47:03

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:00:48

古婺发表于 2017-8-13 11:31
第10回合黑走炮6进1呢？

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:01:55

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聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 11:37
補充

嗯谢谢帅五进一也可

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:24:30

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 12:11

的确如此！

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:39:04

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 12:30
10回合卒2平3會不會好一點?

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:51:25

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聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 12:49

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]不要進卒　 , 如何\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]不要進卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]不要進卒如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]不要進卒如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 12:59:43

本帖最后由湖艓于 2017-8-13 13:23 编辑

重新整理着法
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 13:03:40

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 13:02
黑有閒著走

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]不要進卒　 , 如何\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]不要進卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 13:09:48

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 13:08

见15L着法

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 17:10:28

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 14:21
紅還有最後一關能不能過?

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-13 17:55:39

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 17:48
嗯,補充

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-14 13:47:56

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 18:19
又回到這種變化, 能否取勝?

实在难以想象黑卒不怕打黑炮不怕被吃陈先生有没有好的修改方案
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-14 15:23:47

高原红发表于 2017-8-14 14:23
该局作的很精彩，变化较多。佳构！

可惜还是和了看看王老师有否修改意见！

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-14 18:11:49

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-13 18:19
又回到這種變化, 能否取勝?

有棋友添了个相请陈先生帮忙校验！
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-15 23:33:51

杨启忠发表于 2017-8-15 08:56
添相感觉太直白了（即使添相，放在一路是否更好？），可考虑在红（9,9）位添一枚红兵，看看是否更曲折些？
...

回杨老师添相是有点直白但解决双卒还是比较曲折的
放在一路好像胜不了

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-16 19:12:42

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-16 09:53
我認為添左右相都能勝,邊兵的還須研究琢磨.......

黑卒逼帅上宫顶右相不能左调啊？？

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-18 11:56:21

高原红发表于 2017-8-18 10:15

感谢各位良师益友讨论拙局最近太忙没能抽出时间回复抱歉！
第八回合如改走卒1平2呢？
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-19 14:45:45

谢谢王老师及杨老师补充看来边相局应该没什么疑问了

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-19 21:03:11

高原红发表于 2017-8-19 10:02

这样不左调能否成立？
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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-20 16:55:34

杨启忠发表于 2017-8-20 11:34
我在89#已综合了，是可以的：

谢谢杨老师这样看起来更简洁！

湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-20 18:17:48

聨吟客发表于 2017-8-19 21:34

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湖艓 · 发表于 2017-8-27 12:05:20

杨启忠发表于 2017-8-25 10:03
暂时给出最新结果，还有待完善：

这样如何变化
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湖艓 · 发表于 2023-5-9 18:05:11

杨启忠发表于 2017-8-27 12:56
好！这样可在19回调整一下单双步，大家再看看，可有不妥之处：

这样要输
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湖艓 · 发表于 2023-6-19 15:24:15

杨启忠发表于 2023-6-19 09:50
嗯！第八回改走炮八平三，试拟几个变化请棋友们再看看：

嗯其实平一平三都可以

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