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[江湖局研究] 海底捞月

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发表于 2021-4-19 15:38:46 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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[DhtmlXQ_comment32]《蕉竹斋》97局本第26局“海底捞月”,江湖棋局,有红车抽吃黑方中卒胜定的假象。原谱作和,值得商榷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]这是《蕉竹斋》原谱着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]
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发表于 2021-4-19 22:30:05 | 显示全部楼层
红方一动两个兵就输。这局用软件基本上百分百黑胜。软件动不动就进兵。不管动哪个兵黑就胜。红方和棋思路就是车帅走闲。
发表于 2021-4-19 22:33:59 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2021-4-19 22:40 编辑

第13回合兵四进一就是败招。红四路兵的作用是防止黑车居中时如果黑将露脸就兑了黑车。七路 兵的作用是防止黑卒过河。七路兵一动黑车就可到1路兵线协助卒过河。
发表于 2021-4-19 22:38:49 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车类||||||[FEN=3ak4/9/3a5/9/4P4/9/9/9/3K5/1pp6 b - - 0 17]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN=3a1k3/2P1a1P2/9/9/4R4/9/5r3/3p5/4K4/2pp5 w - - 18 19]杨明忠象棋古谱残局诠正大全中的一路黑胜着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]杨明忠认为走该着黑可胜。||||其它各诠注本未发现走此着。本人再度拆解后认为还是和棋。||||原谱黑方取胜思路是灭掉红九路兵后,1路卒过河。拆解后红方守和思路是红两兵不动,帅占中上下走闲或红车中路和七路走闲,使黑1路卒不能过河或虽能过河但能被红车牵制住。||||再度拆解和棋招法似为:黑进边卒时红再进三兵对攻似可逼兑黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]再拆诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]继续骚扰或走其它卒走闲。主变还是选卒1进1合适。||||凭感觉黑走什么对胜负无影响。这步黑走卒1进1,红走兵三进一再平车对攻。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]改走这步对攻。思路来源于第11回合黑进卒红兵三进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]继续留卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]暂作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]有问题。黑卒过河了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]是否还可走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]红不能平车做杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]暂认作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]黑1路卒强渡,基本上形成这种局面。||||这局面能否守住。黑1路卒黑可强留住还是可逼近九宫。  ||||||该局面其实和杨明忠卒过河后相似。 应该黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]?可能有问题。暂作黑胜。||||||红进该兵后,黑车再退可居中将军防止红车平移做杀。||||红不进该兵,红车兵一条线可生根,待黑1路卒进1后再进该兵。||||这步红平车走闲。七路兵也不走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]主变。||||先把该卒过去再说。黑胜的关键主要是该卒能否过去。||||这路变化先确定是否可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]暂作和。||||红走闲可能较好。确认红方走棋思路为阻止黑卒过河,其它情况走闲,不轻易动兵。黑想过卒,车必须在1路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]杨明忠招法,直接选择进兵对攻思路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]暂作黑胜。||||红进该兵,以后黑捞月时红车没根。黑吃兵后可从容进卒。主要是黑车吃完九路兵再准备吃七路兵时,红车若保黑车可占中或跟住三路兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]古谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车类||||||[FEN\u003D3ak4/9/3a5/9/4P4/9/9/9/3K5/1pp6 b - - 0 17]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D3a1k3/2P1a1P2/9/9/4R4/9/5r3/3p5/4K4/2pp5 w - - 18 19]杨明忠象棋古谱残局诠正大全中的一路黑胜着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]杨明忠认为走该着黑可胜。||||其它各诠注本未发现走此着。本人再度拆解后认为还是和棋。||||原谱黑方取胜思路是灭掉红九路兵后,1路卒过河。拆解后红方守和思路是红两兵不动,帅占中上下走闲或红车中路和七路走闲,使黑1路卒不能过河或虽能过河但能被红车牵制住。||||再度拆解和棋招法似为:黑进边卒时红再进三兵对攻似可逼兑黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]再拆诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]继续骚扰或走其它卒走闲。主变还是选卒1进1合适。||||凭感觉黑走什么对胜负无影响。这步黑走卒1进1,红走兵三进一再平车对攻。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_29]改走这步对攻。思路来源于第11回合黑进卒红兵三进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_30]继续留卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_36]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]暂作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]有问题。黑卒过河了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]是否还可走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]红不能平车做杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]暂认作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]黑1路卒强渡,基本上形成这种局面。||||这局面能否守住。黑1路卒黑可强留住还是可逼近九宫。  ||||||该局面其实和杨明忠卒过河后相似。 应该黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]?可能有问题。暂作黑胜。||||||红进该兵后,黑车再退可居中将军防止红车平移做杀。||||红不进该兵,红车兵一条线可生根,待黑1路卒进1后再进该兵。||||这步红平车走闲。七路兵也不走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_106]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]主变。||||先把该卒过去再说。黑胜的关键主要是该卒能否过去。||||这路变化先确定是否可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]暂作和。||||红走闲可能较好。确认红方走棋思路为阻止黑卒过河,其它情况走闲,不轻易动兵。黑想过卒,车必须在1路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]杨明忠招法,直接选择进兵对攻思路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]暂作黑胜。||||红进该兵,以后黑捞月时红车没根。黑吃兵后可从容进卒。主要是黑车吃完九路兵再准备吃七路兵时,红车若保黑车可占中或跟住三路兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]古谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_29]4424060747480708484739492444030464630405448408588480585080504050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_29][DhtmlXQ_comment21]这样子呢?[/DhtmlXQ_comment21][DhtmlXQ_comment22]如吃兵就这样走[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车类||||||[FEN\u003D3ak4/9/3a5/9/4P4/9/9/9/3K5/1pp6 b - - 0 17]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/FEN]||||[FEN\u003D3a1k3/2P1a1P2/9/9/4R4/9/5r3/3p5/4K4/2pp5 w - - 18 19]杨明忠象棋古谱残局诠正大全中的一路黑胜着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]杨明忠认为走该着黑可胜。||||其它各诠注本未发现走此着。本人再度拆解后认为还是和棋。||||原谱黑方取胜思路是灭掉红九路兵后,1路卒过河。拆解后红方守和思路是红两兵不动,帅占中上下走闲或红车中路和七路走闲,使黑1路卒不能过河或虽能过河但能被红车牵制住。||||再度拆解和棋招法似为:黑进边卒时红再进三兵对攻似可逼兑黑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]再拆诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]继续骚扰或走其它卒走闲。主变还是选卒1进1合适。||||凭感觉黑走什么对胜负无影响。这步黑走卒1进1,红走兵三进一再平车对攻。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]改走这步对攻。思路来源于第11回合黑进卒红兵三进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]继续留卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]暂作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]有问题。黑卒过河了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]是否还可走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]红不能平车做杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]暂认作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]黑1路卒强渡,基本上形成这种局面。||||这局面能否守住。黑1路卒黑可强留住还是可逼近九宫。  ||||||该局面其实和杨明忠卒过河后相似。 应该黑胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]暂作黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]?可能有问题。暂作黑胜。||||||红进该兵后,黑车再退可居中将军防止红车平移做杀。||||红不进该兵,红车兵一条线可生根,待黑1路卒进1后再进该兵。||||这步红平车走闲。七路兵也不走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_106]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_106]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]主变。||||先把该卒过去再说。黑胜的关键主要是该卒能否过去。||||这路变化先确定是否可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]暂作和。||||红走闲可能较好。确认红方走棋思路为阻止黑卒过河,其它情况走闲,不轻易动兵。黑想过卒,车必须在1路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]杨明忠招法,直接选择进兵对攻思路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]暂作黑胜。||||红进该兵,以后黑捞月时红车没根。黑吃兵后可从容进卒。主要是黑车吃完九路兵再准备吃七路兵时,红车若保黑车可占中或跟住三路兵。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]古谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]蕉竹斋第1局,和[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_14]
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还是黑胜。
发表于 2021-4-20 19:09:06 | 显示全部楼层
黑车放卒后再过卒,这个思路我没想到。应该可以。
发表于 2021-4-20 20:58:46 | 显示全部楼层
又是一则黑胜局了。用软件自动走,软件动不动就进兵成黑胜。后来我想到红两兵不动,软件愣是取胜不了。这步车放卒后过卒,软件和我愣是没有想到。
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