三马同槽

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-8 21:17:36

三马同槽虽然红胜不成立，仍不失为佳作，可以去掉前面几个回合或者改图
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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-8 21:20:58

这样可成立，此兵即为沈济英先生所谓“定位子”，强制黑马走到此位置，以便红方可胜
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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-8 21:24:02

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2022-9-8 21:26 编辑

无需加子也能使红胜成立，并且改法很多。此局可以超过60回合不吃子
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-9-9 00:13:55

所以不吃子的規則是否適用於排局呢

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-9 02:02:37

聨吟客发表于 2022-9-9 00:13
所以不吃子的規則是否適用於排局呢

其实限着规则早就被排局无视了，只是某些时候又被拿出来说事

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-9 02:04:01

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2022-9-10 18:32 编辑

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原着法红胜，其实黑有妙法成和

【主变: 红胜】
1.  马九退七将５退１
2.  马七退六将５退１
3.  马六退五马９进８
4.  马五退三将５进１
5.  马一进二马８退７ ①
败着
6.  马二进三将５退１
7.  前马进五马７进８
8.  帅四平五马８退７
9.  帅五平六将５进１
10. 马三进四将５退１
11. 马五进六将５进１
12. 马六退四将５退１
13. 前马进三将５进１
14. 马四进六将５平４
15. 帅六平五将４退１
16. 马三进五马７退５
17. 马五退四马５进６
18. 帅五平四马６退５
19. 马六退八卒４平３
20. 帅四平五卒３平４
21. 马八进九马５进６
22. 帅五平四马６退５
23. 马九退七马５退３
24. 帅四平五卒５平６
25. 马七进五马３退５
26. 马四进三将４平５
27. 马五退三将５平６
28. 后马进二将６平５
29. 马三退五卒６平５
30. 马二退四将５平６
31. 马五退三将６进１
32. 马四进六卒５平６
33. 马三进二

变①接主变第5回合
5.  ………… 将５退１
可和
6.  马二进四将５进１
7.  马四进五将５退１
8.  帅四平五马８进７
9.  帅五平六 ② 卒４平３
10. 马三进二卒５平４
11. 马二进四马７进５
12. 帅六平五卒３平２
此时帅不能动，总有一匹马被拴死了，红无法解脱，只能以和局告终

变②接变①第9回合
9.  帅五平四马７退８

yjr123 · 发表于 2022-9-9 11:58:00

这种残局，拿着谱学习也是似懂非懂，黑方一个变招就无法取胜，太难了。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-9-9 12:18:53

yjr123 发表于 2022-9-9 11:58
这种残局，拿着谱学习也是似懂非懂，黑方一个变招就无法取胜，太难了。

所以星海曾兄太強大了

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-9-9 12:20:36

大濕看看這個唄你服不服

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-9-9 12:46:09

這也是賽馬類型局

局名三馬同槽感覺靜態沒有動感
改成三馬競飆如何呵呵呵呵呵

局名達人大濕有何看法呢

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-9-9 12:55:41

大濕可能會說三姝同床

三妹競舞

三妻同居

....三妓共眠 .............................

又到吃飯時間了暫離

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-10 18:03:31

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yjr123 · 发表于 2022-9-11 16:27:20

这类高难排局，如果仅有着法而没有注解，我认为没有意义。

实用性残局应该要总结出一些规律性的东西，让读者能够掌握取胜技巧，如果总结不出规律，纯粹的着法堆砌，那么就是作者自己也是掌控不住棋局的。

如果摆此局打擂台，就和实战对局没有区别，凭功力取胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-11 16:47:19

yjr123 发表于 2022-9-11 16:27
这类高难排局，如果仅有着法而没有注解，我认为没有意义。

实用性残局应该要总结出一些规律性的东西，让 ...

双马对马双低头卒优势还是很大的，红方在中央控制住局势，一般能够取胜。避免马被牵制死，这种残局我认为是必胜

yjr123 · 发表于 2022-9-11 16:59:06

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-11 16:47
双马对马双低头卒优势还是很大的，红方在中央控制住局势，一般能够取胜。避免马被牵制死，这种残局我认为 ...

可能是必胜，但还是凭功力。

这个必胜也不是谁都会胜的，看了答案还是有99.99%的人和没有看一样，不会胜的仍然不会胜，会胜的也是凭功力。

我认为红先胜排局，看了答案并记住以后（或者可以查答案），至少90%有一定棋力的人都能够取胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-11 18:25:26

yjr123 发表于 2022-9-11 16:59
可能是必胜，但还是凭功力。

这个必胜也不是谁都会胜的，看了答案还是有99.99%的人和没有看一样，不会 ...

这就跟二炮争功一样，亚规和，目前的研究国规黑胜，但要走出这个黑胜很不容易，基本上要靠功力取胜。

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yjr123 · 发表于 2022-9-11 19:16:25

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-11 18:25
这就跟二炮争功一样，亚规和，目前的研究国规黑胜，但要走出这个黑胜很不容易，基本上要靠功力取胜。

江湖排局的特点：除了诱人的假象，还要让有些看了书的路人也无法完全照搬，就是要凭功力。那些脱帽后就结束的棋局对付一般的路人，这种凭功力的棋局就是对付那些对排局有研究的人，但是看过和没有看过还是影响很大的。

你这局不是江湖残局

，发表在杂志上，这个着法有和没有差不多。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-12 15:57:46

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yjr123 发表于 2022-9-11 19:16
江湖排局的特点：除了诱人的假象，还要让有些看了书的路人也无法完全照搬，就是要凭功力。那些脱帽后就结 ...

规律肯定是有的，不过变化很多，不是三言两语能总结的，要详尽的探讨里面的胜和规律，可以写一篇论文了。变化我也懒得贴了，能写一本书

，而我研究的那一部分，远未能穷其变，但目前为止，没有发现问题。
这样的棋局绝对不是看过一遍答案就会走的，着法仅供参考有兴趣的可以深入研究。

yjr123 · 发表于 2022-9-12 17:23:43

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-12 15:57
规律肯定是有的，不过变化很多，不是三言两语能总结的，要详尽的探讨里面的胜和规律，可以写一篇论文了。 ...

你这局很难展开讨论，因为一个变着可能就会有八十至九十回合才能够胜，中间还不知道会不会有错误。

如随便举个例子：这个升级版第2回合黑马不动，走将5进1怎么办？这样的地方太多了，至少要用一本厚书来阐述。

应该像2本“双象难题”那样，出专集阐述可能比较适合。

但这就是专题研究，而不是排局了。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-12 21:02:09

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sdj · 发表于 2022-9-12 21:46:35

本帖最后由 sdj 于 2022-9-12 22:18 编辑

裘望禹《少子百局谱》是90年代一座高峰。
云库残局库中的局，许多局，人脑很难理解。例如双马对马双卒士，估计即使花费好长时间去分析，估计空手而归，太难了。

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-12 22:44:51

sdj 发表于 2022-9-12 21:46
裘望禹《少子百局谱》是90年代一座高峰。
云库残局库中的局，许多局，人脑很难理解。例如双马对马双卒士， ...

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-13 00:14:28

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★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-13 01:03:02

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2022-9-15 12:21:09

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-10 18:03

此局难度大，变化多，12#令人困惑之处也不少，随便举一例：58回黑卒2平3，将棋型走紧一些，红如何胜？

★星海★ · 发表于 2022-9-15 13:44:10

杨启忠发表于 2022-9-15 12:21
此局难度大，变化多，12#令人困惑之处也不少，随便举一例：58回黑卒2平3，将棋型走紧一些，红如何胜？

也可以卒2平3为正，弃卒虽然是拖延步数，毕竟红方好走了。
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杨启忠 · 发表于 2022-9-16 08:53:59

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-15 13:44
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