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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 09:14:00

本局关键在第5回合,红有以下几种选择:一是车九进六;二是车九平六;三是车九平一;四是车九平二;五是炮八退八;六是炮八退七等.都有一定变化.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 09:57:00

研究了一下，似乎只有炮八退七能和，但变化还很复杂。

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 10:32:00

第5回合炮八退七是我的主着.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 11:08:00

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 12:46:00

好局！！照上楼的变化，可能还是红炮八退八结尾多变。

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:08:00

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:19:00

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:34:00

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:37:00

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:58:00

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 16:37:00

我觉得第5回合红走炮八退八容易形成黑胜.比如

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 16:49:00

同意崔老师的看法，砲八退八黑必胜。

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 17:01:00

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 17:31:00

这样可和：

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yjr123 · 发表于 2008-7-8 18:15:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用★星海★在2008-7-8 15:34:00的发言：

崔老师的走法是正着，此外还有一些变化，只要不出错可成正和。

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第21回合红方走兵三平四呢？

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:13:00

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:18:00

黑方这样虽然被动一点，但可以求和。

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:26:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用棋人ctq在2008-7-8 21:13:00的发言：
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第10回合红方车七平六呢？

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:35:00

对，这是一个漏着。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:40:00

好象16楼的着法也有问题，14回合红帅五进一呢？黑不能一将一杀！黑应变着。有什么好办法吗？

yjr123 · 发表于 2008-7-8 21:45:00

16楼指出不利用棋规也红胜啊

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 22:13:00

我说的意思是本来按棋规必须由黑方变着，不变作负。而你说的是即使红方主动求变也可以获胜，但16楼你拟第18回合如果黑改走车6进2，帅五进一；车6退1，帅五退一；车4进8，兵三平四；车6退7，兵五平四；将6进1，红无法取胜。所以只能按棋规必须由黑方变着，不变作负。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-8 23:09:00

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 23:41:00

上楼有误:

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2008-7-8 23:48:00

红有胜机:

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-9 00:35:00

24楼我考虑失误。第4回合黑根本不能走车6退3。会形成红胜。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-9 00:46:00

自己糊涂了。其实17楼的方法正确，顺序出了问题，这一路变化黑在被动中求和。

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-9 00:57:00

24楼的问题关键是第5回合红直接走车九平六黑无解。所以前4个回合是必须的。

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-9 01:01:00

谢谢大家关注，28楼也还有一些变化。

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