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标题: [求助] 车马相对车卒 [打印本页]

作者: 会心斋 时间: 2013-9-8 21:51
标题: [求助] 车马相对车卒
如图，红先，结论如何？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-9-8 22:17
车卒太近，和棋吧？
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]537251417260415128215150212050516072514172534151202151502125575859584656584856532545[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment21]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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作者: 会心斋 时间: 2013-9-8 22:32
首着如动相缓一缓，有没有棋？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-9 11:32
馬四退三有沒有機會? [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]53654647876947375949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]46662848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2][DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]46565949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment5]紅稍優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment5][DhtmlXQ_comment1_3]紅稍優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_3][DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]紅稍優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-9 11:40
退馬不好

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-9 11:42
[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]53654656282151506557565759495747493950402131[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4647876947375949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]46662848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]紅稍優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]紅稍優\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4]6577576759496777[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4][DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_3]594957472821515049394748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_6]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]仍和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-9-9 17:50
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]87694666282151502120505153725141726041516987575859496676876976782021515021417879416179786141787941617978[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]537251417260415128215150212050516072514172534151202151502125575859584656584856532545[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment26]这样黑违规吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D31472%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-9 17:57
退相局初探,不一定正確,僅希望能拋磚引玉

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]876946562823575859495646493958482333515053324656335356533253[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]53725141726056502848574748585060585141406947[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_4]53725150233346423330424030405040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_4][DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_3]28205758[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_7_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment15]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]待研[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_16]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_16][DhtmlXQ_move_4_11_6]2320464020405040[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_11_6][DhtmlXQ_comment2_16]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_7]284857474858565859584737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_5_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10][DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_2]537246423330424030405040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_5]464253324858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_5] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-9-9 20:54
我的看法，7楼最后黑长杀违规，8楼着法有误：
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]8769465628215152212057585949564649395251537251417260415120235150235350405358[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]4644[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]这个可能是和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2013-9-9 21:39
是的,8樓有錯,我後來也發現了2 回合應進車照將能勝

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-9-10 08:30
9楼余老师的黑车5退2，我感觉也是和棋。

关于和棋的棋路，不好排演，要先列出和棋，然后再说明哪招有劣变，那可能除正变和棋外步步都是劣变，如何列出？

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[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]876946662821515221225251698766765332514132204151876976666987664622284642283842463828515228225251222851502032464228384272876972626987624287694262698762428769[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]537251417260415128215150212050516072514172534151202151502125575859584656584856532545[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]这样黑违规吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2]51502120505153725141726041516987575859496676876976782021515021417879416179786141787941617978[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]黑长杀，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4][DhtmlXQ_comment39]两无进取，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2013-9-10 09:08
这样如何判？

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]2853999959998799999999999999999946999999519999999999995799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]87694666282151522122525169876676594976794948797848495747493947373949374749394737[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]537251417260415128215150212050516072514172534151202151502125575859584656584856532545[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]这样黑违规吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2]51502120505153725141726041516987575859496676876976782021515021417879416179786141787941617978[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]黑长杀，负[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_39]两无进取，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_39]
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作者: 会心斋 时间: 2013-9-10 09:39
12楼黑方长杀，红方好像也是长杀？不变作和。谢谢大家！上面的残局是出自古局《停车问路》的一变，我感觉红方主动，对和棋结果心有不甘，所以请教大家看有没有翻盘的可能性？敬请大家继续赐教！ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5552999959998799999999999999994647999999419999999999995799999928[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]526041405525405025205051607251417253415120284746[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]52334140[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]以下红方车四平七或车四平二或马六进七都可和。有取胜的可能吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2][DhtmlXQ_comment12]红接走马四退三可和。||改走退相或进相有棋吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [/DhtmlXQ]

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