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标题: 新黄河···邢春波拟局 [打印本页]

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-27 20:11
标题: 新黄河···邢春波拟局
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作者: 魔帝大人 时间: 2014-11-27 21:03
前面几步是这样吗？

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-27 22:45
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-11-28 08:24

zhaodi 发表于 2014-11-27 22:45

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作者: 一卒擎天 时间: 2014-11-28 11:10
7回改车四进四或进五啥变？

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-28 21:01
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作者: 一卒擎天 时间: 2014-11-28 22:26
5回车5进9！? 6帅六平五，车3进1 7相九退七，中卒吃车 8.。。。。？

作者: 飞天神弈 时间: 2014-11-29 07:52
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-11-29 08:24
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作者: 一卒擎天 时间: 2014-11-29 10:25

有待全面挖掘！！！

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-29 11:05

yjr123 发表于 2014-11-28 08:24

红方是长杀，而将6平5 是一杀，然后将5平6不能算杀吧，因下一步不能杀死红方，需三步。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-11-29 11:53
棋谱中一步杀为明杀，连照杀称为暗杀。棋规里的杀也应包括连照杀。从道理上讲，通过连照能杀死对手，判杀比判闲合理。

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-11-29 15:55
[/quote] 6楼第七回合，红改走炮八进八，结果如何呢？

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-11-29 18:59

zhaodi 发表于 2014-11-29 11:05
红方是长杀，而将6平5 是一杀，然后将5平6不能算杀吧，因下一步不能杀死红方，需三步。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-29 20:00
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-29 20:08
红方是长杀，而将6平5 是一杀，然后将5平6不能算杀吧，因下一步不能杀死红方，需三步。[/quote] 记得论坛以前曾讨论过，连照局超过60回合按棋规60回合自然限着是否判和棋，其实这是一个错误理解，连照局没有自然限着，无论多少回合，都可以把它看成一个回合。连杀也是这个道理。

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2014-11-29 22:04

我认为4#余俊瑞老师所列着法可做为主和着法。

13#杨启忠老师提出的炮八进八，也是正着。15#春波棋友为该变着所列的着法中，第12步兵五平六逃兵错误，应进两步帅，再退炮换掉三线卒，可和。该和棋形式红底兵和红相都发挥了作用。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-11-30 16:31

邢春波发表于 2014-11-29 20:08
记得论坛以前曾讨论过，连照局超过60回合按棋规60回合自然限着是否判和棋，其实这是一个错误理解，连照局 ...

自然限着有对将军步数的计数规定，超出部分不计，因此连照局不会产生限着问题，而非连照局都会存在限着问题。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-30 19:46

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-11-29 22:04
我认为4#余俊瑞老师所列着法可做为主和着法。

13#杨启忠老师提出的炮八进八，也是正着。15#春波棋友为 ...

多谢王兄指正

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-30 19:48

yjr123 发表于 2014-11-30 16:31
自然限着有对将军步数的计数规定，超出部分不计，因此连照局不会产生限着问题，而非连照局都会存在限着问 ...

谢谢余老师指教

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-11-30 21:10

zhaodi 发表于 2014-11-27 22:45

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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2014-11-30 22:54

邢春波发表于 2014-11-30 21:10

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2014-12-1 18:39
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邢春波发表于 2014-11-29 20:00

还有个变化：

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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-12-1 22:32
本帖最后由邢春波于 2014-12-2 11:11 编辑

这样则是黑胜，很微妙
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-12-1 22:33
这样也是黑胜
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2014-12-1 22:35
本帖最后由邢春波于 2014-12-2 11:13 编辑

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