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标题: 妙手解围排局棋面 [打印本页]
作者: zhang48129    时间: 2015-1-19 18:51
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-19 19:11
這樣也黑勝 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]3799999939996999339927999953419957998299509999999970809947485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]妙手解围[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]42[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]2[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]8965620[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]33307030373080302757475753523031415150405242403042413138515048493949384869874846504046404140303187658260405060425040576740506768658731305040304049395848876568586547585947655949[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment44]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment44] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-19 19:14
這樣和局 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]3799999939996999339927999953419957999999509999999970809947485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]妙手解围[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]42[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]2[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]8965620[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: zhang48129    时间: 2015-1-19 19:27
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-19 19:49
3樓22回合
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-19 19:59
1樓也可拖延至22回合 　 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]3799999939996999339927999953410657998299509999999970800347485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2015-1-19 18:42:05[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]妙手解围[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]33307030373080302757475753523031415150405242403042413138515048493949384869874842504042404140303187658260405060425040030406050405405031305040304049395848658757478765473765873738[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]42[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_type]中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]2[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]8965620[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]日升张谦[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_1]405031305040304049395848658757478769473769473738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_1][DhtmlXQ_comment44]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment44][DhtmlXQ_comment31]||這樣可拖延一回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment31] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2015-1-19 20:58
回复聨吟客 1楼棋局是我的修改局原谱红先和，实为黑先胜 1楼棋局我己修改为红先和
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-20 15:30
哦?1樓紅先和嗎?確定嗎 另外,激流勇退局是豫東兄的原創呢?或是出自古今棋譜或其他網友作者或江湖棋攤呢 ?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-20 15:36
2樓的美女影片該不會是樓主本人吧
作者: zhang48129    时间: 2015-1-20 16:50
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-20 19:36
11樓進邊兵慢了,無法達到拖延步數的效果,仍以7樓22回合為正
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-21 18:25
這樣可和,但比4樓高明不了多少, 這種結尾好像很難設計更好的走法了
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[DhtmlXQ_comment41]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment41]
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2015-1-21 20:57
    擺成樓上的（13#）的形式，也是黑勝，樓上黑方走了劣著。黑方取胜着法很微妙。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 00:31
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-1-22 04:17 编辑

再研究一下好像 有發現黑可勝的方法
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment48]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 01:07
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-1-22 04:23 编辑

看來13樓 此局有點意思唷  ,雖黑勝(15樓走法),4 樓雖和局但平淡無味,其他樓黑勝也不夠＿曲折,如果我當攤主會喜歡擺13樓的局^^
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 04:49
這樣比4樓也高明不了多少[DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment31]兵四平五或兵七進一也都能和o[/DhtmlXQ_comment31][DhtmlXQ_comment39]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 05:23
15樓還有變化待研究,不知是否可以峰迴路轉,我先休息了,晚點再來
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_3]6482[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_3][DhtmlXQ_comment25]這樣\u003F待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment25][DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]這樣\u003F待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_24]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 07:31
真的是黑勝囉
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_32]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]這樣\u003F待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]||黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_37_5]8769648250404840414030314050313250408264405064425040323140503130[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_37_5][DhtmlXQ_comment66]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment66]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_8]4846504046404140303187658264405064425040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_41]||紅倖和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_41][DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]||軟[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2015-1-22 12:00
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2015-1-22 12:08 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-22 07:31
真的是黑勝囉


      楼上黑方取胜着法也很奥妙，干脆红黑对换，改拟成一则红宽紧胜排局，名为“将军背剑”，局面和着法如下：红胜
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]这是“背剑”局的点题之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]    这局棋黑卒换红炮之后，结果是和棋还是红胜，由单双步关系决定。双方处于单双步关系的子是黑卒、黑象、红帅、红兵、红相，如果此后双方走动这几种子力，双方的单双步关系不发生变化。||||    现在红走后兵平七，保持单双步关系不变，正着，这样的结果是红方以单双步的形式巧胜。||    如果红误走炮五退五，这样双方的单双步关系就发生了变化，劣着，这样的结果是黑方以单双步的形式巧和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]   黑方进3路卒，以下还必须要送吃3路卒，为了缓输。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]   必须进卒送吃，以便底卒换炮之后象可以及时进到河口，防止红后兵平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]    黑方送吃3路卒之后，红方可以有两种单双步巧胜的结果。||||    现在红方走了一步炮，改变了原来的单双步关系，按照原来的单双步关系红方不能取胜，但是可以进入另外一种单双步巧胜的局面，是快胜着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]    红方准备用两步棋，把后兵调到七九位，黑方要用一步棋把象走到1路防守，两步对一步，变成另一种单双步关系。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42]    黑方欠行，送卒实属无奈。如果此时双方交换先后手，即改变单双步关系，则是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]    黑方送吃3路卒之后，红方可以有两种单双步巧胜的结果。||||   现红走兵，继续保持原来的单双步关系，软着，是迟胜着法。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]    在以上几个回合中，为了保持原单双步关系不变，红方始终没有走炮，红方是铁了心想用原单双步关系巧胜。||    现在黑象受到控制，黑方只有卒换炮，进入单双步红巧胜的结局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]    如果象3退5，帅四平五红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_52]    黑方欠行，送卒实属无奈。如果此时双方交换先后手，即改变单双步关系，则是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_61]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]    黑方欠行，送卒实属无奈。如果此时双方交换先后手，即改变单双步关系，则是和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_19]    这局棋黑卒换红炮之后，结果是和棋还是红胜，由单双步关系决定。双方处于单双步关系的子是黑卒、黑象、红帅、红兵，如果此时双方走动这几种子力，双方的单双步关系不发生变化。。||||    现在红走了一步炮，这样双方的单双步关系就发生了变化，劣着，这样的结果是黑方以单双步的形式巧和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_60]
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2015-1-22 14:34
迟暮寒士 发表于 2015-1-22 12:00
楼上黑方取胜着法也很奥妙，干脆红黑对换，改拟成一则红宽紧胜排局，名为“将军背剑”，局面和着 ...

王老师改局并解析很精彩 学习了！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 14:47
嗯,19樓多繞了圈子 ,20樓改得好
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 17:02
再琢磨改成下圖,增加帽子與陷阱變化, 更具江湖氣息,  ,　是否成立呢
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-22 17:07
或這樣棋圖好看一點?雖然棋子多了一點

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-23 02:37
大家看看有無問題
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作者: 快乐每一日    时间: 2015-1-23 15:17
请恕我直言画蛇添足
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-23 19:22
25樓增加帽子與陷阱還有一些變化,雖然增加部分不算很深奧,但總是更有趣與更具江湖味, 可不是亂添加的唷,也是花一番心血推敲琢磨並解決可能的問題之後才成功的


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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-24 00:27
呵呵呵';有人認為25樓是添足蛇,不過應該有的人也會喜歡這隻稀有動物吧,我還有靈感再搞一局,下圖與原局走法差異甚大,已超越改局的範圍 ,所以就冠上我自己大名囉,局名容後再定,看能否和局

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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-24 00:43
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-24 00:27
呵呵呵';有人認為25樓是添足蛇,不過應該有的人也會喜歡這隻稀有動物吧,我還有靈感再搞一局,下圖與原局走 ...

这局是红胜局哦！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-24 00:56
25樓是紅勝局,是順著我15樓改局(黑勝),然後遲暮寒士20樓改局  (紅勝),最後我再加工而成

勝法頗有研究價值 　
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-24 01:08
28樓又發現問題黑勝了,呵呵 ,我再想想怎麼改
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-24 01:19
這樣看看
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 12:03
先脫個帽
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 12:20
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-1-26 12:23 编辑

江湖局，最好是少于16子，尽量不超过 18子，个人意见，陈先生你看呢？上面这改局是红胜局，只需7回合即可定论！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 12:37
子力多寡應照每局局形設計而論,我的局也有很多低於16子的,但也不排除多子的可能,何必自我設牢籠呢　, 32樓七回合嗎?我以為做了個好局說,我在想想感謝紅酒兄
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 13:02
紅酒兄是否把3路馬看成卒了
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 13:13
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 13:13
唉呀大漏著3回合即可
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 13:18
我再想想看能否實現炮七進九的設計好像難度很高
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 13:48
底象改為馬,可否?
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 14:14
可再添邊象, 子又更多了,哈哈哈...............
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 14:16
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-1-26 14:27 编辑

這個....... 添象紅是否能和就難說嘞
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 14:36
應該還是40樓局圖正確
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 14:37
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-26 14:16
這個....... 添象紅是否能和就難說嘞

这么多子，8-9回合子力消耗阶段结束，局面就可以定论结束，在这种局上下这么大工夫，我觉得没啥意思，原局的框架也不是很好，先生还不如改拟四大金刚局！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 14:46
就這個局面而言我覺得是不錯的局 一路走來歷經一番艱辛才成功的

紅酒兄不須太苛求在下, 我能實現自己的設計想法已很興奮感動
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 14:53
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 14:55
所謂8到9回合定論結束是紅酒兄這樣的高手才馬上看得出,我做的局並非只為了這樣的高手,我想除了我自己滿足之外　,應該也有不少人喜歡, 雅俗共賞是也
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 15:00
最好不涉及人，就棋论棋
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:04
紅酒兄認為有邊象紅和得了嗎?這個邊象我好像加錯了?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:06
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-26 15:07
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-26 15:04
紅酒兄認為有邊象紅和得了嗎?這個邊象我好像加錯了?

这局要改好，必须要把原局彻底颠覆，凡是保留原局的思路就改不好的，地基不好，不如换地搞！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:14
沒有邊象就是成功的局,已經脫離原局甚遠,所以我才厚顏的冠上自己大名擬局
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:26
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:41
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-1-26 15:00
最好不涉及人，就棋论棋

我是在稱讚你耶, 不但指出底象局的錯誤,非常謝謝 ,而且9回合就知道我新改局的定論, 真是高手!!


作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 15:59
呵呵呵 ,晚上再來 ,另外那個實戰殘局帖子的變化紅酒兄有何看法?雙方四馬爭飲泉我弄不清楚......
作者: yjr123    时间: 2015-1-26 16:14
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-26 15:26
9回合定論言之過早,還有精妙變化,我認為可以和局

这样的帽子确实不招人喜欢，几乎步步吃子，实在不是好局。
不过9回合后的局面在江湖局实战中可能十有八九会分出胜负。
作者: 魔帝大人    时间: 2015-1-26 16:38
联营客已经不容易了，
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 22:43
有無邊象局紅酒兄都能9回合就看出結果定論,確是高手,像我就不行,需要研究一番 才能知道 ,無論棋友們喜不喜歡 ,
我都按照實現自己的構想努力 ,紅酒兄的作局也常被人說不喜歡,但自己總要有自己的堅持的努力方向


感謝大家意見
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-26 23:03
我研究的走法這樣和局
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-27 11:52
再搞一局
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-27 13:38
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-27 11:52
再搞一局

先生这种执着的精神，我确实要好好学习的，上面你这改局，可能是红胜局，能否谈谈你这局要做成啥样的，我也好往那种方向去思考。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-27 15:10
恩,60樓馬九退八紅勝定,只好犧牲一步帽子,是要設計下圖這個脫帽,看還有無問題
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-27 16:29
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-27 15:10
恩,60樓馬九退八紅勝定,只好犧牲一步帽子,是要設計下圖這個脫帽,看還有無問題

第二回合，三兵进一，红胜
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-28 01:42
三兵 進一?何謂   ?
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-28 02:09
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-28 01:42
三兵 進一?何謂   ?

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-28 02:28
弄了幾變好像紅難和?
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-28 02:30
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-1-28 02:49 编辑

恩,黑好像擋不住,我在想想
作者: yjr123    时间: 2015-1-28 08:46
聨吟客 发表于 2015-1-28 02:28
弄了幾變好像紅難和?

第2回合红走错
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-28 16:51
嗯, 紅酒兄實現了兵六進一的設計

至於我那個設計我再想想 　
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-28 18:43
呵呵呵,再把底馬改為車是否能解決問題呢?
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-1-28 18:52
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-1-29 10:57
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