孔明借箭改局及其它

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紅炮一路黑勝,  二路如何?能和否?
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[DhtmlXQ_title]孔明借箭改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_title]和一小局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]這一變待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]
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匆匆弄了幾變,不一定正確,還望各位同好斧正或補充
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[DhtmlXQ_title]孔明借箭改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_2_13_1]694717472825476745576757[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_13_1][DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_3]41403040612142240424283857384849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_8] 黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_28][DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_11]32413323223237324132[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_24_11][DhtmlXQ_comment5_43]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_43][DhtmlXQ_move_7_28_6]372723332737[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_28_6]
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猿猴摘果改局
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 猿猴摘果改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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先請教大家一個變化
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 猿猴摘果改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]87574757865648568880426041405051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
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紅娘脫衣改局
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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聨吟客

還不是很確定,呵呵,大家有什麼研究看法呢?
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]87574757865648568880426041405051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3] 可能正著,容後補充 o[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]2322426022216261435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6][DhtmlXQ_comment5_39] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39][DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_48][DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3]26363332464858594849595836468767608267778260776760826777464777704041707141403242475758574942715142495758[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3] 可能正著,容後補充 o[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_8]3332423257473242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_8][DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5]23224260222162614353304053434030435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_5][DhtmlXQ_comment39]結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
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yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2016-7-16 10:35
還不是很確定,呵呵,大家有什麼研究看法呢?

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 猿猴摘果改局－陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]4140504070604030[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]87574757865648568880426041405051[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]這個局面是否黑必勝\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3] 可能正著,容後補充 o[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]可能敗著[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]待續[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]2322426022216261435330405343403043533040[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_39_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_39] 結果如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]要看用什麼規則了[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_48]
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感謝瑞哥指正這樣看看
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author]cavalier168[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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老毛病了，公式化的改局，从不深入分析挖掘着法，其深度局限在作者的眼光棋之内，只要别人指出着法错误，即通过加减子平衡消除，出现新的错误，再反复用这样的手段修改，终于排成一局成立，把原来简单明快的精妙排局，改成拖泥带水的冗长之局。

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楼上之最新改局也如此应，黑怎么办？

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蛺蝶穿花改局
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呵呵呵,瑞哥說得是,不過我還是有成功滿意的,也有比原局好的

改進延長變化與拖泥帶水也是一線之隔一體兩面 ,看用什麼角度看待,也許有些局面各人感覺 不同,
例如紅娘脫衣改局談不上多 深奧,但我認為卻更有趣,紅方中兵與底兵都能更充分利用,以前我還有 把原局增1.9卒的,不像表面看來那麼輕鬆, 都比原局有改進之效

還有就是 考慮到有的局擺攤容易被看過古譜的人破解, 所謂簡單精妙的局但 不難記譜,所以要有一些改
局,很多江湖棋人與排局作者都在搞, 大家也都有成敗
至於失敗缺失部分,我盡量改善,我非聖賢 , 也不是什麼象棋大師,跟著  自己趣味感覺方向進行,當然自我要求也應該,很感謝瑞哥意見,我會努力

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我是看不惯你轻易否定的习惯，如杨老师最近的”二炮立威“局，我提出原着法的问题，照你的习惯是立即再改，但杨老师却是挖掘出新的着法，这样通过讨论，逐步完善，排局才有看点，着法才有深度，不会停留在眼光棋的深度。

如你最后的改局，是在没有分析透原着法的情况下随意改，弄得原本已经成和的局变成红胜。

最后强调一点，排局以着法为灵魂，轻易否定只能创作出眼光棋排局（无论原创还是改局）。

yjr123

本论坛几个排局高手如朱小坚、赵殿中、杨启忠等，他们的排局，即使这些局势被你在创作过程中摆到过，也轻易就否定了，所以不可能创作出精妙排局。

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我沒有對二炮立威局修改啊,也沒有否定上述 幾位棋友的作品啊,  討論中大家都有錯誤或  指正別人錯誤的時候,他們是精妙排局作者,我呢,   就當個趣味排局作者,投稿還可入選幾局,我就很滿足了

可以當國手的運動員與只可以當鄉村小鎮的運動員,  當然不同囉
可以考前五名的學生 與只可以 考十幾二十幾名的學生當然不同囉
原因可能有很多  ,有的人會進步,但 有的人總是勉強不來的吧

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我剛剛翻出百局象棋譜(實體書)找猿猴摘果局,,原來我以前有用鉛筆加註 第2回合車一平三變化,  呵呵呵, 太久沒 翻 都忘記了,因為 我 用搜索東萍棋盤的走法, 裡面沒有這個變化, 就漏掉了, 呵呵,所以還是要拿實體書出來複習才好,瑞哥就不要再苛責小弟我吧

yjr123

我不是说你改二炮立威局，举这个例子是让你向杨老师学习，多挖掘着法，不要轻易否定，哪怕不成立也要挖掘一些变化出来，这样再改局才会出精品。

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再查竹香齋的折柳章台局,  陸曙光詮注本也有2回合車一平三變化
呵呵呵

我先把原局再徹底複習再說吧

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原創的暫且不提,  我也有很好的改局,  也有不斷苦心挖掘與詮正古今排局成功的, 並非瑞哥所說的那樣吧,

人非聖賢有盲點疏失難免, 猿猴摘果的研究複習與改局不 妥善,  也不能否定我的一切努力,

   我不是高手,所以失敗率可能比其他作者偏高, 這很合理,  我仍會按照自己的節奏走下去

另外,幫東萍棋庫 平反一下,有的局有 2回合車一平三變化,只是我當時並沒有每一篇都看,以後類似的情況我會多看幾篇  
也配合拿出實體書參照,以及重溫自己以前若有手寫註解的話

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呵呵呵, 可能又有人有意見了? 不夠精妙?除非有指出錯誤我會非常感謝,   不然我很滿意這麼適合擺攤的局
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yjr123

你擺攤，我會在第5回合走炮一平二。

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晚點我再研究炮一平二先吃早餐去了

林铁狼

我看了几局，确实大有启益，创作或改编棋局不要只看前几步……

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黑走馬還看不清
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紅優,如刪除邊兵又成黑優,我再想想
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]再炮平九紅勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]|| 紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]||紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20][DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]
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聨吟客

呵呵呵,現在可以再改了嗎?時機適當嗎?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||||蔣權先生編著的江湖百局秘譜裡的大暗藏局實為紅勝 ,茲把六路底仕改四路,九路底兵改原位,再增1.6位卒 應能和局o[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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也說一下,27 樓紅優,但是否必勝?也要花時間研究, 只是我現階段比較有興趣做黑稍優紅小心謀和的局, 先看看

28樓能否成立,再回頭 繼續研究27樓 ,當然個人不足之處也需大家協助

聨吟客

呵呵呵,猿局沒改成,  卻創了下圖, 可謂史上 解法最短江湖殘局? 麻雀雖小可是五臟俱全唷, 只是不知撞局機率是否很高?此圖可當基形, 以後 再行加工改進
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