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标题: 不为人熟知的系列残局六 辕门射戟——黑方二线车型 [打印本页]
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 13:59
标题: 不为人熟知的系列残局六 辕门射戟——黑方二线车型
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-9-12 20:58 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment48]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment48][DhtmlXQ_comment0]以下各局棋势相同，仅在黑方七路加有被红车抽吃的不同子力，实为同局。其主要包括：||||=《棋谱秘录》和33局||||《韬谱》三闹宗阳||=《竹谱》银海光摇||||《韬谱》士师治事||=《百局》观灯十五||=《渊谱》智服姜维||||《心谱》三顾草庐[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 14:19
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[DhtmlXQ_comment68]以下续着同上局，和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment68][DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局实际上也与上局相同，只是红方车炮位置略有不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-4-23 14:36
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        黄志琦排局库-31085 化险为夷
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        黄志琦排局库-34700 智服姜维??红先和
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        黄志琦排局库-31086 化险为夷
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        【同搜索局面】百变象棋谱-第67局 辕门射戟
        【同搜索局面】黄志琦排局库-12801 第48局 辕门射戟
        【同搜索局面】江湖排局精选一百例_柳大华 第90局 辕门射戟
        【同搜索局面】棋谱秘录-0173和集（六十七局） 和三十三局
        【同搜索局面】神妙变化象棋谱-第48局 辕门射戟
        【同搜索局面】象棋妙杀巧和150局-第一百零三局 辕门射戟
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        黄志琦排局库-13829 三顾草庐2
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        古今排局赏析-第024局、三顾草庐
        黄志琦排局库-1014 三顾草庐
        心武残编-三顾草庐(卷二局51,总122)
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        百局象棋谱-第56局 观灯十五
        黄志琦排局库-669 ）智服姜维
        韬略元机残局谱-第70局 士师治事
        象棋江湖残局破解_杨典-第124局 智服姜维
        心武残编-三顾草庐修改局(卷二局51,总122)
        渊深海阔03-28 观灯十五
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        象棋江湖秘籍_张宝康等 第69局又一村 红先和
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        黄志琦排局库-597 银海光摇
        韬略元机残局谱-第55局 三闹宗阳
        竹香斋-银海光摇(二集局32)
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        黄志琦排局库-23075 第212局火树红花
        新象棋江湖残局破解_李浭-第212局 火树银花
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        黄志琦排局库-650 第012局 达摩渡江
        渊深海阔02-3 达摩渡江
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        黄志琦排局库-13821 第6局 辕门射戟
        四川民间排局_下 第6局 辕门射戟
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        黄志琦排局库-16935 第169局 十面埋伏
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        黄志琦排局库-27406 抱薪求火
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 14:38
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 14:48
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-23 15:21 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2022-4-23 14:36
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        黄志琦排局库-31085 化险为夷
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上表所列大多是同局，“十面埋伏”可能是苏德龙《棋局与故事》里的那一局，“抱薪求火”可能是丰羽《民间排局集萃》里的那一局，“和六十七局”是一则双炮兵小局怎么也归为此类？我这里收集的还有十几局在上表中没有。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 15:15
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-4-23 15:17
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-23 14:48
上表所列大多是同局，《十面埋伏》可能是苏德龙《棋局与故事》里的那一局，“和六十七局”是一则双炮兵小 ...

     【同搜索局面】棋谱秘录-0173和集（六十七局） 和三十三局

和集共67局，是录谱者标注的。搜索到的是“和三十三局”

我这个表在一个FEN字符串下列出的都是相同局势

没有列出就是我没有收集到该谱的CBL文件或者差异子超过我设定的百分比
作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-4-23 15:46
《象戏勾玄-象棋新残局》能够全部发出来吗？

《象戏勾玄》网上只有全局部分


作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 15:57
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 16:12
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-23 16:47 编辑

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 16:25
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 16:42
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2022-4-23 16:55
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-23 14:48
上表所列大多是同局，“十面埋伏”可能是苏德龙《棋局与故事》里的那一局，“抱薪求火”可能是丰羽《民间 ...

残局库收录的是《岀“棋”制胜—象棋妙杀巧和100局》（高关云江编），丰羽的书也有这局，但我没有这本书的CBL文件。
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 17:27
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 17:34
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-23 18:27 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2022-4-23 16:55
残局库收录的是《岀“棋”制胜—象棋妙杀巧和100局》（高关云江编），丰羽的书也有这局，但我没有这本书 ...

高关云江这个棋谱有大量棋局系抄袭丰羽《民间排局集萃》，高关云江的是1992年发行的，而丰羽的是1990年就已发行。“抱薪求火”局两谱棋图完全相同！
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 18:02
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 18:17
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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-4-23 18:24
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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-4-23 18:26
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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-4-23 18:29
老鸽子，大湿只看了几局，棋子太多的局，大湿真没一点动力看
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 18:33
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-24 01:24 编辑
石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-4-23 18:26

“能攻善守”这局有这么大的漏洞啊，看来无电脑时代的棋局问题太多了，许多经典着法也不成立。总体而言，还是朱鹤洲、裘望禹、蒋权等大师的作品比较过得硬，虽然问题也有，但要少得多，且难见错得离谱的！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-23 18:41
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2022-4-23 19:12 编辑
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-23 15:57

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 18:45
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-23 18:49 编辑
sdndsx 发表于 2022-4-23 18:41

时老师的解法妙极了，在本类棋局中还是首次见到，喜欢得不得了！
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-23 18:53
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-23 17:27

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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-4-23 18:59
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-23 18:33
“能攻善守”这局有这么大的漏洞啊，看来无电脑时代的棋局问题太多了，许多经典着法也不成立。总体而言， ...

叫你来扶绥，大湿教你 快速校对棋局！结果是否对错！

但要校正棋局，得有本事了，软件是帮不上大忙的！

软件只是可以显示棋局的结果！
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-23 19:04
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-24 01:16 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2022-4-23 15:46
《象戏勾玄-象棋新残局》能够全部发出来吗？

《象戏勾玄》网上只有全局部分

余老师，这个棋谱只有少量棋局有一定的参考价值，大多数残局都比较简单！其残局基本都是李善卿所拟，而不是七省棋王周德裕拟的，主要包括三个部分，一是“象棋新残局”30局。二是“杀法汇刊”32局，均为基础性残局，古今参半，可以忽略不计。三是“桔秘精华”，改编《橘中秘》残局4局（另有10局为全局）。此谱我一共只收藏了十来局。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-23 20:09
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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-4-23 23:35
sdndsx 发表于 2022-4-23 20:09

不兴祝五一了？
是不是被大湿喷怕了，哈哈~~~
快叫救命恩人
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-24 05:17
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-24 06:44
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-26 16:30
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-26 16:42
我以前改的  還無十分把握
現再請大家幫忙研究
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-26 23:10
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我還有  東萍收錄
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-26 23:37
我早年改的添卒局
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-26 23:42
查找到的  我好像也改過相同的  記不清了
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-27 08:51
34樓變著不精確

力不從心....................
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-27 17:21
35樓我以前也沒有研究透徹   現用云庫 走走紅似乎很艱難  
邊卒後退一步看看

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-28 01:41
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-28 02:05 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2022-4-26 16:42
我以前改的  還無十分把握
現再請大家幫忙研究

陈兄，多研究一下那则加相局，看是否成立。这种改局比较符合常规，容易成功！加炮局创意也很新颖。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-4-28 02:21
老鸽子 发表于 2022-4-28 01:41
陈兄，多研究一下那则加相局，看是否成立。这种改局比较符合常规，容易成功！加炮局创意也很新颖。

棋力水平還有精力有限 所以請大家幫忙

作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-29 07:16
象棋杀法练习4000题第五册（3201——4000）
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... p;extra=&page=2
这个帖子里还有几局，转贴过来。

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-29 07:16
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2022-4-29 07:20 编辑

去掉红中兵。


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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-29 07:17
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2022-4-29 07:21 编辑

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-29 07:17
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2022-4-29 07:18
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2022-4-30 03:32
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-4-30 03:52 编辑
sdndsx 发表于 2022-4-29 07:16
象棋杀法练习4000题第五册（3201——4000）
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=56 ...

增加红马，增加了一种精妙杀法！但此类棋局除古谱早期两、三局外，其余棋局在红炮抽将到位后，多以中路兵卒等为炮架叫将，至少应有红车平中叫将的着法，才算保持了原味。



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