“适谱-七擒七纵”类的一则怪型——《排局春秋》选局

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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_10]4746364656464544[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31][DhtmlXQ_comment0]大小鹏、四郎探母等有多种变型，不足为怪。但《适谱》之“七擒七纵”、“士卒星散”类局，虽然也是大型系列排局，但都中规中矩，独此局一见即觉怪！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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本谱系陈建新、黄德蕴、崔鸿传合编，1978年储增镗刻印。对于陈、崔之排局，少子排局占比很少。个人感觉，他们作局布子不够20子以上，似乎就不成局，就不舒服！例如对古谱的改局，也常添帽加尾，以使布子达到20子以上，或为了延着，而不论所加是否俗气和必要。对此，稍后略举几例。本谱相对于《排局野获篇》、《排局烟雨》，布子稍少，但仍算布子偏多之谱。

当然，他们也有不少好作品，此局便是百里挑一选出来的少子局，虽算不上经典，但其创意和着法均可！

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聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-27 10:31
19回合車四平五速和

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此时黑方只有车底卒仕，红方尚有车炮相，当然不肯言和。因此而改还研究个啥？要我说纯属多此一举，浪费时间！什么乱七乱糟的一发就是一堆，最好删掉一些帖子。

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豫东棋人 发表于 2024-6-27 18:28

第28回合黑车吃炮不就输了，是啥意思？

豫东棋人

谢谢老鸽子己修改了28回合后的着法，请指正

yjr123

着法改得没有意义

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[DhtmlXQ_comment21]黑方只能耍赖了[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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yjr123 发表于 2024-6-28 12:31

谢谢指点，思虑深远！黑如不耍赖，走卒五进一，则太缓；再续走卒六进一，则卒死而红马尚能留下一只，故红必胜！

老鸽子

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相逢恨晚局   很不錯

聨吟客

我的  很滿意的一局   一些變化很細搬來熱鬧一下
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哇  極地玄光局  我是怎麼做出來的  真是不可思議
被自己感動

大濕兄  仰望極光奇景了嗎

老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-28 20:55
我的  很滿意的一局   一些變化很細搬來熱鬧一下

此局的一些变化确实在同型局中即新颖又巧妙！但个人觉得仍有暇眦，主要有三：一是入局不算好。二是老话题，红方四路送子太多，显得冗复，可否去掉两只兵？三是卒多，尾巴稍长，可否去掉三路卒？其中最不满意的是第二条。

老鸽子

其实本人并不十分排斥多子局，除了我在专文中提到的问题，还有另外一个原因：我单页收藏棋局数量达到16局，而版面有限，若一个版面有三分之一的棋局在20子以上，那么这个版面就没法看了（眼花缭乱）。

聨吟客

老鸽子 发表于 2024-6-28 21:47
此局的一些变化确实在同型局中即新颖又巧妙！但个人觉得仍有暇眦，主要有三：一是入局不算好。二是老话题 ...

若無3路原位卒   20回合紅多了 炮平八 (或九或七) 或炮進三(或四)等的和法

有此卒則上述變化皆黑勝   有此卒好   

其餘的就各人感受吧    我自己超滿意就是了

老鸽子

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-28 23:59
若無3路原位卒   20回合紅多了 炮平八 (或九或七) 或炮進三(或四)等的和法

有此卒則上述變化皆黑勝  : ...

此局系至今为此所见过的最佳同类局！三路原位卒确实很难取舍，有此卒末尾和得也恰到好处，不忍割舍。