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标题: 对 二炮争功 的研究及诠正 [打印本页]

作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-10 20:31
标题: 对 二炮争功 的研究及诠正
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]黑解将还将,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_6] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-5-10 23:26
就是这个江湖残局,三十多年前,一个老头在我们县城摆残这局局,我输给他一元钱。之后,我和同学们天天研究,一个学期过去了,我和同学们又陆续输给他好几元钱,也没搞懂。 后来,接触到棋书,才知道象棋这种玩意也和数理化一样,也有书籍讲座。在书上看到这局棋,太难了,当时根本没能力接受。
作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-5-11 12:06
和得不干净

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局又名“龙驹宝马”,亦称“二炮逼宫”,曾刊于《象棋民间排局》第27局。结论为和棋。后来在《江湖棋局搜秘》中被诠为黑胜。在《江湖排局精解》中综合各谱得出和局的结论。||结论正确但着法有误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]新变化,这样走才能和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。||但我认为不如炮一平四简洁。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]黑优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]黑解将还将,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-11 19:28
和得不干净[/quote] 虽然和得不是太干净,但黑方也没什么好的方法,红如不出错的话还是能够守和的。 这样的结局也许会更受街头棋摊喜爱。
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2014-5-11 20:12
红变无益,不可取。
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-11 20:25
红变无益,不可取。[/quote] 请问指的是哪一着
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2014-5-12 13:08
请问指的是哪一着[/quote] 朋友: 3楼说似乎和得不干净。你不认可了吗?红变结果黑优可取吗? 另外多说一句:无论哪个和局黑变可速和是不必改局的。
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-12 20:24
朋友: 3楼说似乎和得不干净。你不认可了吗?红变结果黑优可取吗? 另外多说一句:无论哪个和局黑 ...[/quote] 这位棋友是不是认为原着法红方能够走成和棋。 其实原着法有可议之处,黑方可以主动求变且占优势。
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2014-5-12 20:28
这位棋友是不是认为原着法红方能够走成和棋。 其实原着法有可议之处,黑方求变红方难和。[/quote] 本局又成红先黑胜局了,我还得学啊。
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-15 19:56
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-5-15 21:03
一卒擎天 发表于 2014-5-12 20:28
本局又成红先黑胜局了,我还得学啊。

3楼最后应该还是和棋,但红方很难走。
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2014-5-15 22:21
3楼最后应该还是和棋,但红方很难走。[/quote] 红难走的和局才是好局!<二炮争功》是江湖 佳局!
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-16 20:20
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作者: zhiqihuang    时间: 2014-5-17 13:24
先进马捉炮,红怎么应对?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局又名“龙驹宝马”,亦称“二炮逼宫”,曾刊于《象棋民间排局》第27局。结论为和棋。后来在《江湖棋局搜秘》中被诠为黑胜。在《江湖排局精解》中综合各谱得出和局的结论。||结论正确但着法有误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]新变化,这样走才能和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。||但我认为不如炮一平四简洁。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]黑优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]黑解将还将,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]
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作者: yuntao云涛    时间: 2014-5-17 19:19
本帖最后由 yuntao云涛 于 2014-5-17 19:21 编辑
邢春波 发表于 2014-5-16 20:20
5回合黑马5进3的变化

黑也许有机会吃兵,试演变,不过黑底卒好像难保
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]||||||新变由杨亚明先生提出[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]||||正着,改走它着皆败[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]||||||正着,不为串打所诱[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]||依然形成1楼红6回合走炮一平四的结局,成红方想和但不好和,黑方想胜也不好胜的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment27]||||还是形成这个局面[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]||新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-5-17 21:05
zhiqihuang 发表于 2014-5-17 13:24
先进马捉炮,红怎么应对?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局又名“龙驹宝马”,亦称“二炮逼宫”,曾刊于《象棋民间排局》第27局。结论为和棋。后来在《江湖棋局搜秘》中被诠为黑胜。在《江湖排局精解》中综合各谱得出和局的结论。||结论正确但着法有误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]新变化,这样走才能和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。||但我认为不如炮一平四简洁。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]黑优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]黑解将还将,黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment26_23]似乎和得不干净[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12]先走进马捉炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2014-9-17 09:55
邢春波先生的这个主题很有价值,如果探索出正确结论,那就是功德无量的事!
作者: bh22wsc    时间: 2014-11-5 10:45
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2014-11-5 20:52
bh22wsc 发表于 2014-11-5 10:45

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]||此时出帅,黑如何取胜呢?[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]依然成马炮底卒对红炮兵双相[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-11-5 21:35
末尾红方是很难走的,这局棋难度不比“征西”小。
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2014-11-21 14:01
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-11-21 14:06 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_6]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment27_24]黑胜残棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_24]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]邢春波提出的变化,较有希望。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]黑优[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_19]劣着,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_1]也是正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]也可走车二平四。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]这样看看:[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]献炮,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]可能是黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2014-11-21 15:02
菜鸟来玩认为10回合炮四进三可和,黑方用炮打相,红方仍难守。
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2017-2-1 12:13
yuntao云涛 发表于 2014-5-17 19:19
黑也许有机会吃兵,试演变,不过黑底卒好像难保

15楼朋友:23回炮七平二?放弃吃马,想法吃底卒?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2017-2-1 19:04
此局的創作者是誰呢?還是已經不可考?或某位不知姓名棋攤主的作品 ?
作者: 桑莫喜    时间: 2017-2-1 21:05
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这个局还有一些变化,黑第5回合马进3和进7变着中都有新变着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]也可走车二平四。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]黑方新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]这样呢.[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]邢春波提出的变化,较有希望。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]这样呢.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]这样呢.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_19]这样看看:[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]黑优[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]献炮,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]劣着,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]黑胜残棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_11]可能是黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_37]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]《象棋民间排局》修订本中的着法,结果黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_10]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_13]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_19]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]?[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_26]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_21]例和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_1]也是正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_6]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-18 17:05
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2021-3-18 17:08 编辑

这局棋至少有五六十年的历史了,早先名为“跑马联营”、“走马联营”,均为蒋权拟局,图势有所不同,且左右方向相反,但棋型和基本着法相似。1987年徐家亮、苏德龙《象棋排局百花谱》之“马踏联营”应该就是改自以上两局。

按本局末之势,即马炮底卒对炮低兵双相,若是在实战中,在下恐怕十盘要杀你七八盘。
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-18 19:31
这样能和吗?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]这样可以和吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2021-3-19 11:11
本局马6退5,我五退七变,易和,棋友们还有异议吗?
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-19 12:01
一卒擎天 发表于 2021-3-19 11:11
本局马6退5,我五退七变,易和,棋友们还有异议吗?

哪一个五退七变?

另外我提的问题怎么跑主题帖下(原2楼位置)去了?如能和则纠正第6回合红炮一平七变认为黑胜的结论。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]原来认为是求和唯一正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]黑方优势,红难走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]这样可以和吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-19 12:41
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 12:01
哪一个五退七变?

另外我提的问题怎么跑主题帖下(原2楼位置)去了?如能和则纠正第6回合红炮一平七变 ...

估计是是相五退七?
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-19 13:05
★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 12:41
估计是是相五退七?

正好黑胜

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作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-19 14:43
站在红方角度,这样走可能最简洁和棋。

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-19 14:51
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-18 17:05
这局棋至少有五六十年的历史了,早先名为“跑马联营”、“走马联营”,均为蒋权拟局,图势有所不同,且左右 ...

跑馬與走馬兩局圖是如何的
可否貼上看看

用文字說明或拍照都可
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-19 15:46
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2021-3-19 16:38 编辑

是在爱下棋论坛看到的,出自手抄本蒋权《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》(应为蒋权处女作),泓弈网列有局目。在下现在手头上只有Word图片,曾尝试过复制上传,但粘不上去。

“跑马联营”和“走马联营”应是此局的雏形,棋型虽只有兵卒之差,但着法肯定不同。两局图势均无红兵,加了一只红马,双方有中相(象),左右方向相反,余势相同。这两局与我上面所说的“马踏联营”极为相似。这里的“马踏联营”,亦即:洪哲《象棋江湖残局破解》和王伟、李中健《民间残棋揭秘》之“马踏连营”,后者在网上可以搜出来。
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-19 15:53
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 14:43
站在红方角度,这样走可能最简洁和棋。

10回合炮四进三是菜鸟来玩提出的走法,认为能和。马9退7被红炮串打改走炮9平3呢?
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-19 16:14
★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 15:53
10回合炮四进三是菜鸟来玩提出的走法,认为能和。马9退7被红炮串打改走炮9平3呢?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-19 16:24
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 16:14

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作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2021-3-19 17:12
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 13:05
正好黑胜

4回炮五平六改相七进五如何?
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-19 17:22
一卒擎天 发表于 2021-3-19 17:12
4回炮五平六改相七进五如何?

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-19 17:33
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-19 15:46
是在爱下棋论坛看到的,出自手抄本蒋权《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》(应为蒋权处女作),泓弈网列有局目。在下现在手头 ...

用文字標示棋子位置
像這樣

二炮爭功

紅方  帥四1 相五3...................

黑方 將61 馬73.....................

這樣我就知了 
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-19 17:37
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-19 20:19
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2021-3-19 20:29 编辑

下面是“走马联营”。一律按黑方路、线记录子力位置,第一个数字为纵向,第二个数字为横向。
黑方半盘:黑将四/一,红车五/二{黑方宫心)、黑马三/三、黑象五/三、红车七/五、红炮九/五。
红方半盘:红炮七/六、黑炮九/六、黑卒二/七、黑卒四/八、红方中相、黑卒五/九(红方宫心)、红马三/十、红帅四/十、黑卒七/十。共计十五子,原谱和局。

作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-19 22:25
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-19 22:26
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-19 20:19
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黑方半盘:黑 ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_34]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-19 22:50
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-20 00:01
★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-19 22:25
是这样吗

是的,没错,这是《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》“走马联营”,创作于六七十年代,应是“二炮争功”的雏形。此谱在泓弈网列出了36局名单,爱下棋论坛上传了部分棋局,有阅读权限。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-20 00:22
同谱还有“跑马联营”,记谱方法同上:
黑方半盘:黑将四/一、红车五/二、黑方中象、红车七/四(黑方卒线)、红炮九/四、黑马二/五。
红方半盘:红炮七/六、黑炮九/六、黑卒四/八、红方中相、黑卒五/九(宫心)、红帅四/十、红马五/十(帅位)。
共十三子,比“走马联营”少两卒,且其它子力位置有所改变,原谱亦为和局。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-20 00:44
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2021-3-20 00:51 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-19 22:26
找到了

这局不就是"走马联营"吗?图势完全相同,“又进行了创作”是什么意思?《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权最早的棋谱。那个鞠发友又是何方大师,怎么从来没听说过。

作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-20 01:22
干脆将主题局有关资料补齐吧(同局):
(1)1984年瞿问秋、杨明忠《象棋民间排局》,以及1999年朱鹤洲《江湖排局集成》等谱之局名为“二炮争功”。
(2)1987年陈富贵、程业金《中国象棋流行排局选》,以及1996年仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》之局名为“护驾炮”。
(3)1991年陈松顺《江湖棋局搜秘》之局名为“横直护驾炮”。
(4)1993年洪哲《象棋江湖残局破解》之局名为“二炮逼宫”。
(5)1998年王伟、李中健《民间残棋揭秘》之局名为“龙驹宝马”。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 02:04
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2021-3-20 02:07 编辑
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 00:44
这局不就是"走马联营"吗?图势完全相同,“又进行了创作”是什么意思?《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权 ...

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 09:51
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 00:22
同谱还有“跑马联营”,记谱方法同上:
黑方半盘:黑将四/一、红车五/二、黑方中象、红车七/四(黑方卒线) ...

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 09:59
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-20 10:08
聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-20 09:59
我之前誤排成這樣
將錯就錯一併貼上供大家研究
呵呵呵呵呵

居然有这么巧,真乃英雄所见略同。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 12:38
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2021-3-20 16:11 编辑
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 10:08
居然有这么巧,真乃英雄所见略同。

鴿先生可能誤會了

不是我的創作,是我根據鴿先生的文字標示而糊里糊塗排成的,後來才發現弄錯了
呵呵呵呵呵
不過誤打誤撞好像還真可另外成局呢
姑不論深淺難易如何還挺有趣的
如果太簡單再行改造就是了
作者: hzsjy    时间: 2021-3-20 13:35
本帖最后由 hzsjy 于 2021-3-20 13:41 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-19 17:37
查找同型局
呵呵呵
长久没来,又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局?
41楼是我的改图和着法!棋图中有我的名字。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 16:08
hzsjy 发表于 2021-3-20 13:35
长久没来,又在讨论以前讨论过的棋局?
41楼是我的改图和着法!棋图中有我的名字。

沈老師好久不見
很開心又見到您

41樓我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能找出的
直接複製貼上未做任何增減

網站棋局太多又隔多年
無法全都記得有無討論過
我自己的局也忘記很多
呵呵呵呵
再討論複習熱鬧熱鬧也不錯
如沈老師對41樓有重新修訂整理走法也可再提供
謝謝
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 17:24
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]这样走偏软[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]不急于用卒换炮,算路深远[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_26]绝妙的等着[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]同样黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]王首成老师注:||偶然翻阅蒋老的一个手抄本,看到此局,颇有趣味。同江湖名局”二炮争功”有相同的陷阱||||zqhuang注:本局红方求和似有难度[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-20 21:10
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2021-3-20 21:12 编辑
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-20 00:44
这局不就是"走马联营"吗?图势完全相同,“又进行了创作”是什么意思?《蓓蕾初放象棋谱》是已知的、蒋权 ...

鞠发友是一位网友,擅长作曲和排局,我只知道这么多。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 22:43
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-20 22:55
好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

那麼二炮爭功原局到底正確結論如何呢
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-21 02:23
★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-20 21:10
鞠发友是一位网友,擅长作曲和排局,我只知道这么多。

谢谢曾老师的介绍。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-21 03:19
聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-19 17:38

上页“129局 二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的?此局本人注意了多年,但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此局在东萍象棋网,作为仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》第49局“护驾炮”列出。后经查阅仁人原谱,发现该谱的图势并非如此图,而是与这里的主题局“二炮争功”完全相同。那么,此局到底是谁改的?
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2021-3-21 03:40
刚才又进东萍网查了一下,发现上楼“护驾炮”局居然是属于667的个人棋谱仓库,难道此局是龚伟老师改的?真是有眼不识泰山!
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2021-3-21 08:53
老鸽子 发表于 2021-3-21 03:19
上页“129局 二炮争功变改局”陈兄是从哪里弄来的?此局本人注意了多年,但一直对其来源感到莫名其妙。此 ...

我用東萍棋盤的棋譜搜索查找同型局功能查到的

直接複製貼上來
未做任何文字與走法增減

是誰修改我也不清楚
作者: 一卒擎天    时间: 2021-3-21 11:36
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-19 17:22

谢谢余老师,我的变是劣变,请邢先生原谅。。。
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2021-3-21 12:19
聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-20 22:55
好像有點兒喧賓奪主乎?
呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵

到目前为止,没有发现和棋着法,菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规
作者: yjr123    时间: 2021-3-21 12:55
★星海★ 发表于 2021-3-21 12:19
到目前为止,没有发现和棋着法,菜鸟来玩用软件测出和棋估计是用亚规

黑要赢也很难

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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2022-6-10 10:58
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2022-6-10 11:10 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2021-3-21 12:55
黑要赢也很难

目前也只有强软能走赢了吧

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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-6-13 19:38
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作者: 石川铃华老湿    时间: 2022-6-13 19:47
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2022-7-6 20:22
石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-6-13 19:47



濕濕怎麼還沒玩夠啊
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-6 20:53
本帖最后由 xqahz010 于 2022-7-6 20:58 编辑
★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 19:34

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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2022-7-6 21:26
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-6 20:53
我用正版旋风nnue验证了下,此变红可以正常守和,最后形成以下局面

能否贴出着法学习一下
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-6 23:07
★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

明天吧,但不一定能走到这局面了
作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-7 08:48
★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-6 21:26
能否贴出着法学习一下

软件跑到,还请曾老师审阅
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[DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]4765[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]破象黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-7 09:13
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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2022-7-7 09:32
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 09:13

收到,学习中
作者: ★星海★    时间: 2022-7-8 18:26
xqahz010 发表于 2022-7-7 08:48
软件跑到,还请曾老师审阅

这样怎么和?
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[DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]4765[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]至此脱帽。以下变化十分复杂。黑方主要有四种进攻方法分述如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]破象黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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作者: xqahz010    时间: 2022-7-15 16:02
★星海★ 发表于 2022-7-8 18:26
这样怎么和?

最后黑方马炮多卒胜定。




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