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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-21 15:10
标题: 世事浮沉
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-21 15:13
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-21 16:08 编辑

1楼局面诠正的地方较多,原构思59回合不成立。
如何诠改呢?
1  最讨巧的办法(去掉前两个回合),维持50回合:

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2  去掉三七位红兵,46回合:
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3  移动红马,增加黑卒,50回合:
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以上修改局做到了连将胜成立(最多50回合),但是红方的冗子没有消除。
如果保持不少于50回合的条件下,有三个问题:
1  能否消除掉红方冗子?
2  能否拟出新的套路?
3  能否拟出超过100回合的连将胜局?





作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-21 15:44
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-22 14:23 编辑

1  能否消除掉红方冗子?
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-21 15:47
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-31 04:34 编辑

2  能否拟出新的套路?注意:67位黑卒移到68位。
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-21 15:52
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-29 08:24 编辑

3  能否拟出超过100回合的连将胜局?新套路(68位黑卒),红方有半冗子。

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-21 23:22
sdndsx 发表于 2024-10-21 15:52
3  能否拟出超过100回合的连将胜局?新套路(68位黑卒),红方有半冗子。

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-22 03:36
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-22 14:01 编辑
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-21 23:22

谢谢 湖艓 老师!
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-22 09:40
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-21 23:22

看错了。

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-22 14:05
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-23 12:06 编辑
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-22 09:40
看错了。

谢谢 湖艓 老师!
5楼已采纳了您8楼的建议。

作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2024-10-23 11:14
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-22 09:40
看错了。

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2024-10-24 16:18
象棋天使 发表于 2024-10-23 11:14
这样走呢?

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-24 20:22
象棋天使 发表于 2024-10-23 11:14
这样走呢?

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2024-10-25 11:45
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-24 20:22

谢谢![DhtmlXQ]
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-25 12:09
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-25 12:12 编辑

这样看看是否稳妥。
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-25 18:11
sdndsx 发表于 2024-10-25 12:09
这样看看是否稳妥。

八楼可以成立的。时老师。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-10-30 13:07
湖艓 发表于 2024-10-25 18:11
八楼可以成立的。时老师。

谢谢 湖艓 老师!

1  能否消除掉红方冗子?

红方攻子全动

有点担心黑方杀力是否充足。

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-30 15:16
本帖最后由 湖艓 于 2024-10-30 15:18 编辑
sdndsx 发表于 2024-10-30 13:07
谢谢 湖艓 老师!

1  能否消除掉红方冗子?

个人认为,半冗子运用适当可以给棋局增辉。不必要一棒子打死
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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2024-10-30 15:49
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-11-2 12:28
满意了。

首着不吃黑子
攻子防子全动
黑方杀力充足

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2024-11-2 12:29
简洁版

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