瓮中捉鳖

古婺 · 发表于 2014-9-29 16:34:59

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-29 17:17:36

木有人顶贴我先灌灌水

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-29 18:38:37

一種思考方向,如無底兵是否也能勝呢?黑方有何頑強手段需要紅用到底兵才能勝?

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-29 19:08:03

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魔帝大人 · 发表于 2014-9-30 15:40:24

有点难度，黑不轻易挺卒，黑象防守，红很难做到瓮中捉鳖，同时又防止黑卒和红兵兑子成和。

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-9-30 21:01:09

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-30 21:06:40

[/quote] 邢老师，兵不能过宫的。黑炮可以打回去啊

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-9-30 21:17:00

邢老师，兵不能过宫的。黑炮可以打回去啊[/quote] 感觉是这个思路，疏忽了炮打回头，重拟着法 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993957376999559980999999660048994299409999999959996399999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2014-9-29 15:04:36[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2014-9-29 16:19:12[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]瓮中捉鳖（红胜）--朱小坚[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]160[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_hits]24[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]8592940[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]古婺[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5550404150404140374859498087404187674264575841400010404110204140666540416766414066766442767340412030413130403141405041317371314171514131515331416564636453636465585949696369[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]以下黑有卒7进1和将5平4等应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1]80884041886863646878414078734041736341405758404166656465585949696369655559584224695955655857656659492442574766564837566649426656424341423748424147375646436341426369463637384241694941514857514139484151493936263837514139494151374726364959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_2]203041313040314140504131677764427771314171514131515331416564636453636465585949696369[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3]413166766442767131412030413130403141405041317161314161514131515331416564636453636465585949696369[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4]41516454[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_38_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]以下红可取胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_39] [/DhtmlXQ]

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-30 21:26:21

感觉是这个思路，疏忽了炮打回头，重拟着法[/quote] 这回100分了

古婺 · 发表于 2014-10-1 06:40:44

95分，捉炮的思路正确，但此路变化红稍微缓慢了

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-1 13:58:11

95分，捉炮的思路正确，但此路变化红稍微缓慢了[/quote] 朱老师也是个对棋局着法极其严谨的人啊

不过我只能缩减2个回合，不知道能不能对。抛砖引玉吧

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古婺 · 发表于 2014-10-1 14:19:22

柒兄的此路着法我倒没考虑到，可得98分，还可以缩2回合。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-1 14:30:15

古婺发表于 2014-10-1 14:19
柒兄的此路着法我倒没考虑到，可得98分，还可以缩2回合。

那第四回合改走炮一退三不知道能行不

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-10-1 21:03:59

古婺发表于 2014-10-1 14:19
柒兄的此路着法我倒没考虑到，可得98分，还可以缩2回合。

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魔帝大人 · 发表于 2014-10-1 22:02:51

本帖最后由魔帝大人于 2014-10-1 22:05 编辑

14楼，第6回合黑飞象呢？
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-2 07:58:58

本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-2 09:19 编辑

以下兵三进一象7退5 炮一退一或炮一退三还是18回合炮一退一或炮一退三这步棋是先走后走都可以

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-2 09:49:39

本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-2 09:52 编辑

整理一下

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zbz719 · 发表于 2014-10-2 10:55:40

朱先生的作品总是“丈二和尚，让人摸不着头脑”，忒费脑细胞了。

很喜欢这样的宽紧，很精致，脉路也清晰，看似简单，想破却不易。一旦步入正途，渐渐地，会让人有豁然开朗、柳暗花明之快意。

古婺 · 发表于 2014-10-6 21:06:03

国庆刚外出游玩回来，先把我原来拟的着法贴出，

，我的着法应该更快:

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]红劣黑幸和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]过早进兵，被黑兑掉，黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]余着红按正变取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]无中生有的妙招，正确的进攻路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵，舍身象口！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]此路着法红也可胜，步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守，此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]若黑象边线防守，红可早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12_16]黑想兑红兵，速败，红炮关门打狗，可提前消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]突兀冷着，退帅捉死炮，前面一系列运炮，献兵，都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]至此，红完成捉炮，今进入例胜残局阶段，但也颇费曲折。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]若吃兵，红可提前关门打狗，消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-6 21:22:18

古婺发表于 2014-10-6 21:06
国庆刚外出游玩回来，先把我原来拟的着法贴出，，我的着法应该更快:

哈哈朱老师这是魔高一尺道高一丈啊

古婺 · 发表于 2014-10-6 21:37:56

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-6 21:22
哈哈朱老师这是魔高一尺道高一丈啊

哈哈，你11楼炮一退一的变化我也没考虑到，

，魔高没一丈也有九尺啊

。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-6 21:52:50

古婺发表于 2014-10-6 21:37
哈哈，你11楼炮一退一的变化我也没考虑到，，魔高没一丈也有九尺啊。

朱老师的作品对运子技巧很有启发性对于实战来讲有很大帮助这里残局就像围棋里的手劲很好玩

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-6 22:06:10

放红兵过河后瓮中捉鳖的手段也不错

笑傲桔枰 · 发表于 2014-10-7 13:22:10

本帖最后由笑傲桔枰于 2014-10-7 13:25 编辑

古婺发表于 2014-10-6 21:06
国庆刚外出游玩回来，先把我原来拟的着法贴出，，我的着法应该更快:

第五回合，红炮可直接炮一平八，下着走炮八退三，可再少一回合。为避免这招出现，可将红九路底兵改排在八路。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-7 20:17:27

笑傲桔枰发表于 2014-10-7 13:22
第五回合，红炮可直接炮一平八，下着走炮八退三，可再少一回合。为避免这招出现，可将红九路底兵改排在八 ...

黑可以在第四回合改将5进1 为将5平4的这样还是要炮一退七才能16回合捉吃炮

古婺 · 发表于 2014-10-7 21:14:05

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-7 20:17
黑可以在第四回合改将5进1 为将5平4的这样还是要炮一退七才能16回合捉吃炮

是的，也可改走飞象，我的将5进1粗糙了。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-10-14 20:51:52

邢春波发表于 2014-9-30 21:17
感觉是这个思路，疏忽了炮打回头，重拟着法

回复8#邢春波：
   第19步，红方兵三进一，黑方如果不走卒7进1吃兵，改走将5平6。第20步，不论红走兵三进一吃卒（吃卒必然）还是兵三平四，黑走将6退1吃兵。
   此后红方高兵和炮必有一子被黑将拴在四路，难以在三路形成保底相的阵型，所以无法捉死黑炮。
   另外，红方高兵和炮若要全部摆脱黑将的拴链，红兵必须冲到黑2线，成为低兵。黑方有象防守底线7.1位，红方也无法用三路低兵做炮架保护三路底相，所以无法捉死黑炮。

   19#楼主的着法也是同样，第13步红走兵三进一，黑改走将4平5，再将5平4，红方难以捉死黑炮。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-14 21:04:09

我在23楼就提出此变化，瓮中捉鳖的着法没有列出。

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-10-14 21:07:17

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-10-14 20:51
回复8#邢春波：
第19步，红方兵三进一，黑方如果不走卒7进1吃兵，改走将5平6。第20步，不论红走兵 ...

那个变化红方是个例胜残局，所以没有列出来。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-14 21:18:41

本帖最后由象棋法官于 2014-10-14 21:21 编辑

迟暮寒士发表于 2014-10-14 20:51
回复8#邢春波：
第19步，红方兵三进一，黑方如果不走卒7进1吃兵，改走将5平6。第20步，不论红走兵 ...

这样捉不死黑炮，但黑方也很难守和。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守，此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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