江湖大局------停车问路　[古局再诠]

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-3-21 20:58:00

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dave7788 · 发表于 2006-3-22 14:44:00

楼主真不易啊！

我见到的新《停车》——

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古婺 · 发表于 2006-3-22 16:57:00

图一中第9回合注解"如改走车六退三,红胜"应该是"黑胜"吧?

会心斋 · 发表于 2006-3-24 08:31:00

正在进一步学习中。

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会心斋 · 发表于 2006-3-24 16:22:00

20回合黑将5退1变，21回合红车四平七变，至最后“下同主变”，好像与主变并不相同，因黑方似可接走将5平6。

会心斋 · 发表于 2006-3-27 08:57:00

20回合黑将5退1变，可能还有问题：
21回合红车四平七变，至24回合，红改走车四平五，似与主变殊途同归。
21回合红车四平五变，至24回合，红应改走马四进三，将6进1，车五平四，红速胜。23回合或22回合，黑改走将6进1（卒6进1弃卒拴马或者卒6平7拴马可能不行），或有变化的余地。
所以，对这路变化的每步棋，还有必要再进一步锤炼。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-27 10:53:19编辑过]

小橘梅 · 发表于 2006-3-27 16:57:00

棋图有误！

1.车一进五象5退7 2.炮二平五将5平6 3.车一平三将6进1

4.车三退一将6退1 5.车六进九士5退4 6.炮五退三红胜！

zhaodi · 发表于 2006-3-27 17:10:00

棋图有误,这样也胜!

1.车一进五象５退７ 2.车一平三士５退６
3.车六进九将５平４ 4.车三平四将４进１
5.车四退一将４退１ 6.马九退七将４平５
7.车四退六红胜

原来少一4路士角黑士

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hzsjy · 发表于 2006-3-27 18:40:00

以下是引用zhaodi在2006-3-27 17:10:00的发言：

棋图有误,这样也胜!

1.车一进五象５退７ 2.车一平三士５退６
3.车六进九将５平４ 4.车三平四将４进１
5.车四退一将４退１ 6.马九退七将４平５
7.车四退六红胜

原来少一4路士角黑士

是啊!我曾回帖的图不是主楼的图!!!!
请见:

(只有少数有权限的人可看)

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-3-27 18:50:06编辑过]

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-3-27 21:24:00

一。回复6楼的会心斋版主：不好意思，是我的粗心与失误！

您请看：

我两个月前[2006-01-12 07:10]在{投稿专栏}13 楼3图

您没看吧！

哈哈，您在五楼提到“20回合黑将5退1变，21回合红车四平七变，至最后“下同主变”，好像与主变并不相同，因黑方似可接走将5平6。”

我现在才明白指上图。呵呵！

二。关于7，8楼的演示，首先表示。

这是象棋演播室转换时出现的问题，没注意！

(只有少数有权限的人可看)

您的再次参与！

五。谢谢hzsjy 先生！您如此用心帮我，真不知如何感谢您才好！谢谢！

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hzsjy · 发表于 2006-3-27 22:04:00

就是"江湖排局专栏投稿区"的主题贴.不知怎地";链接"会不对!奇怪?

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-3-28 00:23:00

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hzsjy · 发表于 2006-3-28 13:17:00

我帮您将二图合并了一下.有些地方改了一点(主要是我在录谱时即时看到的)请见谅!
您二图是130多变,我帮您录好的是161变.

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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-3-28 21:28:00

再次感谢hzsjy ！
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帮我将二图合并了一下.并有些地方改了一点(主要是我在录谱时即时看到的)!谢谢！

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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-3-30 23:31:00

黑第15 回合的如下：

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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-4-2 00:27:00

15楼[黑第15 回合]-----------

A ---------将6平5变相一退三，将5退1变有疑问！黑第7回合应走车3平5！

B 另外将6平5变相一退三，将5退1变时，红似可直接车四退二吃兵为好！

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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-4-3 21:43:00

引用上楼的发言

[第15回合-------- B 另外将6平5变相一退三，将5退1变时，红似可直接车四退二吃兵为好！]

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-4-3 23:23:00

我发现还可这样！

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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-4-5 22:11:00

再研究发现上楼不行！

西门秋水 · 发表于 2006-4-6 10:18:00

听说当年“棋坛总司令”谢侠逊也曾在街头走过此局，却不想一个疏忽入了摆棋人的陷阱。可见此局之难。

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-4-7 01:22:00

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]850187nn59nnnnnn3975nnnnnn46nnnn48nnnn41403242nnnnnnnn0857nnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]这是一则七子和局！||||||另与[此图]----||红[一。五车][二。五炮][五。四兵]各向前移一步的“移子停车”-------形成一组难得的“七子和局”姐妹局！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]如炮二平五,黑胜||这是停车问路脱帽时的唯一陷阱||||||停车问路之所以---未能成为热门的江湖排局原因亦在此--------陷阱单一，无法吸引顾客的眼球！||遗憾！||||||引用西门秋水在2006-4-6 10:18:00的发言：||听说当年“棋坛总司令”谢侠逊也曾在街头走过此局，却不想一个疏忽入了摆棋人的陷阱。、||||哈哈！！！！！！！！！||请问西门秋水您在哪听说的？？||俺孤陋寡闻！不知有这事！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]||此变先后有------小车马，||会心斋，yjr123等先生参于讨论！||||我认为先平帅成立!!||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]车7平8是唯一正着!!如改走车7退2,车7平2,车7平3,均为红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]与先车六进七，车7平8，帅四平五殊途同归略||||||||[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]||黑吃炮势在必为！||如改走士6进5,卒6平5,卒1平2,||均为红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]如图此时已车马斗车卒的局势，||[均采用现代棋规时]||停车复杂程度可与||“四大名局”《野马》一决高下||||||||||此时除马九退八外，||红另如帅五平六,马九退七,车六平五,车六平七,相一退三,均为黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如改走车六退三,黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]如改走车3退5卒1平2,均为红胜||||又如改走,卒6平5 和||[我原认为红胜，看了张云川先生的大作后，才知道是和局]||[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]如改走车六退三,红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]如改走车3退8,车3退5,卒6平5,卒1平2,||均为红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]如士5退4红则马八进六胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]如改走卒1平2,为红胜||如改走卒6平5,则和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]如改走车九退三,前辈已介绍黑胜.又如马八退七则卒6平5,,相一进三,卒5进1黑胜定 ||[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]停车问路,点题正着!||||如改走进车退车均负!||而红马八退七后,局面相当复杂,本文重点研究,专门探讨！||||||||以下着法曾与hzsjy先生探讨多次！蒙hzsjy先生的多次指点，对此局的帮助很大||[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28] [恳请诸位高手]||帮我重点看看||第14------16回合的变化，||尤其是黑变着是否有误！||因为首先需要确定此局的和局结论是否成立！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]再度停车问路！正应！||红退车吃卒必负！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]另有卒6平7，卒6平5，车3进 1，将6平5，等四种着法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]再度停车问路！正着！||||如改走||车四退二，帅五进一，帅五平四|| 均黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]又一次停车问路！正着！||||红这两着是张云川先生提出的,绝妙应着!!!红方利用规则求和!||||||如改走车四退二，马五退三,兵五进一,均负.||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54]红可守和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71]和 ||[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment94]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment100]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102]车四平五正着，而车四平七劣着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102]
[DhtmlXQ_comment148]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment148]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment166]
[DhtmlXQ_comment197]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment197]
[DhtmlXQ_comment203]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment203]
[DhtmlXQ_comment214]下同主变||因为后来主变调整了，所以对不上号！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment214]
[DhtmlXQ_comment262]劣着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment262]
[DhtmlXQ_comment269]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment269]
[DhtmlXQ_comment295]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment295]
[DhtmlXQ_comment319]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment319]
[DhtmlXQ_comment351]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment351]
[DhtmlXQ_comment373]双方不变，作和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment373]
[DhtmlXQ_comment387]黑下风可守和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment387]
[DhtmlXQ_comment396]和 ||[/DhtmlXQ_comment396]
[DhtmlXQ_comment404]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment404]
[DhtmlXQ_comment436]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment436]
[DhtmlXQ_comment457]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment457]
[DhtmlXQ_comment469]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment469]
[DhtmlXQ_comment472]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment472]
[DhtmlXQ_comment495]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment495]
[DhtmlXQ_comment507]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment507]
[DhtmlXQ_comment524]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment524]
[DhtmlXQ_comment572]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment572]
[DhtmlXQ_comment580]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment580]
[DhtmlXQ_comment590]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment590]
[DhtmlXQ_comment617]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment617]
[DhtmlXQ_comment631]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment631]
[DhtmlXQ_comment651]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment651]
[DhtmlXQ_comment663]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment663]
[DhtmlXQ_comment679]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment679]
[DhtmlXQ_comment703]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment703]
[DhtmlXQ_comment729]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment729]
[DhtmlXQ_comment741]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment741]
[DhtmlXQ_comment747]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment747]
[DhtmlXQ_comment748]下同主变，和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment748]
[DhtmlXQ_comment749]升帅变化极为复杂，通过yjr123版主的审核，帮助与指点！||我经过长时间的研究，帅五进一无法守和！||请见二图，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment749]
[DhtmlXQ_comment750]车3进1 正着！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment750]
[DhtmlXQ_comment790]yjr123版主的审核时指出的精妙绝伦的弃卒！！！！||当初近四十变就这样毙掉！||谢谢yjr123版主！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment790]
[DhtmlXQ_comment796]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment796]
[DhtmlXQ_comment797]更佳||[/DhtmlXQ_comment797]
[DhtmlXQ_comment809]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment809]
[DhtmlXQ_comment811]将6平5是我研究的重点。||另外两变未知||[/DhtmlXQ_comment811]
[DhtmlXQ_comment893]红将判负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment893]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1008]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1008]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1066]黑必胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1066]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1078]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1078]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1181]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1181]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1184]还原||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1184]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1192]红一将一杀士||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1192]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1291]和！||此变还有问题？||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1291]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1324]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1324]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1331]红反优||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1331]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1355]以下着法经yjr123的多次指点，确认黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1355]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1380]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1380]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1413]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1413]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1425]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1425]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1473]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1473]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1518]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1518]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1546]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1546]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1564]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1564]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1572]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1572]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1603]以下红可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1603]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1629]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1629]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1639]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1639]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1649]黑必胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1649]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1664]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1664]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1718]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1718]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1734]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1734]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1735]yjr123的拟着可和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1735]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1736]大劣着，黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1736]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1753]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1753]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1797]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1797]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1836]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1836]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1846]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1846]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1847]如误走车3进3，则和略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1847]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1854]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1854]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1862]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1862]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1864]下同17. 相一退三卒６平７ 18. 相三进五车３平４。。。]略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1864]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1887]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1887]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1911]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1911]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1947]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1947]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1969]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1969]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1991]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1991]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1992]已公开发表的文章已提到！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1992]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2059]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2059]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2077]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2077]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2096]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2096]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2114]红优||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2114]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2132]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2132]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2133]有不少人对此变有研究！||||哈哈||||会心斋一时没看明白？||看来我还是增加一些变着，详演如下||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2133]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2136]卒3平4正着！||如车3进1红幸和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2136]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2172]黑胜定||因为14回合的车四退二也演成相同的局面，着法已介绍||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2172]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2186]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2186]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2196]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2196]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2198]杀||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2198]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2208]幸和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2208]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2209]朱前辈的拟着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2209]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2224]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2224]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2246] 此局面黑必胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2246]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2266]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2266]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2278]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2278]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2292]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2292]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2326]以下红可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2326]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2332]红可守和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2332]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2343]红能守和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2343]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2367]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2367]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2384]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2384]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2390] 和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2390]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2394]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2394]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2400]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2400]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2429]不变作和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2429]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2435]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2435]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2448]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2448]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2455]以下红可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2455]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2467]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2467]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2472]和 ||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2472]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2478]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2478]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2480]直接杀卒，明了，易掌握！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2480]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2504]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2504]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2520]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2520]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2525]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2525]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2533]正着！||以下着法，||我研究多次，未找到黑方取胜之道！面红！||暂认为和！||请高手指点是否有妙手取胜！||||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2533]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2560]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2560]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2589]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2589]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2595]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2595]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2607]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2607]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2649]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2649]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2667]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2667]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2671]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2671]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2679]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2679]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2701]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2701]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2713]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2713]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2717]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2717]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2729]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2729]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2748]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2748]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2767]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2767]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2771]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2771]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2783]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2783]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2801]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2801]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2825]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2825]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2857]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2857]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2867]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2867]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2877]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2877]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2889]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2889]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2895]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2895]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2911]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2911]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2925]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2925]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2926]在张云川先生的《象棋残局生死棋型》有介绍||以下着法出自该书||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2926]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2945]和||||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2945]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2946]增补注解将6 平5 一变、||见14回合黑B，将6||平5变，殊途同归||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2946]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2948]略作补充||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2948]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2961]红一将一杀须变着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2961]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2979]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2979]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2980]车四退二吃兵必负！||||朱鹤洲前辈对此变深研！||欲深入研究“车四退二”者||请参阅||由上海文化出版社出版的，朱鹤洲先生诠注的1994年版《渊深海阔象棋谱》及后1999年出版的《江湖排局集成》第118局||||||||||以下仅介绍我增补的一变。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2980]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3017]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3017]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3018]红亦负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3018]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3019]红亦负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3019]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3020]红亦负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3020]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3021]则和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3021]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3031]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3031]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3033]则红负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3033]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3055]黑可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3055]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3062]可和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3062]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3098]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3098]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3112]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3140]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3140]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3152]好胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3152]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3190]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3190]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3191]卒6平5前辈有研究！||我重新探讨，补充如下||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3191]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3215]以下红可胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3215]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3236]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3236]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3239]黑也负||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3239]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3240]劣着！前辈已有定论！||我略补充如下！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3240]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3263]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3263]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3333]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3333]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3351]黑亦胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3351]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3353]黑亦胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3353]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3354]同车六退三黑胜略！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3354]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3366]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3366]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3367]张云川先生认为可和||以下引用其原着法如下：||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3367]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3371]误走将5进1红胜，我曾作过拆解||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3371]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3403]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3403]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3433]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3433]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3465]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3465]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3487]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3487]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3511]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3511]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3527]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3527]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3552]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3552]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3588]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3588]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3608]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3608]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3609]与第12 着卒6 平5着法类似红胜||略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3609]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3610]前辈已介绍，现摘录介绍如下：||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3610]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3643]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3643]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3644]古谱误认为和局，后人诠为黑胜。||||以下为后人诠注着如下||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3644]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3661]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3661]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3662]则和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3662]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3676]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3676]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3696]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3696]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3712]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3712]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3730]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3730]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3760]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3760]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3778]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3778]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3804]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3804]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3824]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3824]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3844]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3844]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3850]按现今规则，以下黑可胜。略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3850]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3872]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3872]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3894]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3894]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3906]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3906]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3914]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3914]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3942]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3942]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3948]黑一将一捉，须变着！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3948]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3949]先后有------小车马，||会心斋，yjr123等先生参于讨论此变！||下面的拟着得益于yjr123先生的多处帮助与指点！谢谢！||||但我认为此变红胜！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3949]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3970]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3970]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3982]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3982]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4002]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4002]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4018]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4018]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4048]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4048]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4049]劣着！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4049]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4064]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4064]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4074]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4074]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4104]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4104]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4116]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4116]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4132]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4132]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4148]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4148]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4178]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4178]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4212]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4212]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4224]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4224]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4247]古谱着法！||||特别是||车六进七，车7平8，炮二平三。。。。。。。。。。。变，||众多前辈有过研究！||我在此不详演！||||||欲对停车问路深入研究者||此变不可不知。不可不察！||可参考|| 由张云川先生编著，‘体育大学出版社”1999年出版《象棋残局生死棋型》60局等诸谱||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4247]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4248]车7平8是正着!!||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4248]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4249]殊途同归||下同主变||和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4249]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4250]存在古规则的争论。||作为古局，应享有与[野马，降龙，独行等局]相等的古规则的权力，同等尊重！||||||因为如“野马”等允许一将一捉等。。。。||||所以停车出现的一将一要抽子的纠纷，尊重古义，理应允许！||||[虽然竹谱作者认为是规则不允许，愚以为那仅是一家之一言]||||此外：象棋规则[古代]的公平性值得探讨！||||||愚还认为野马，降龙，独行，停车等局||应该完全按99版的现在规则[国内]要求去解析！这是古局诠正时应优先考虑的！||||||其次：愚还认为[野马，降龙，独行，停车最好要有两个版本的着法]||包括解决-------------------现在规则还涉及到-----------国内规则与亚洲规则的问题！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4250]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4269]按古例判和||现代规则判负||此变有众多前辈作过探讨，在此从略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4269]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4270]许多谱有介绍||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4270]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4295]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4295]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4313]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4313]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4315]多数棋谱改走车六平七,黑胜。||移子停车存在类似问题||改变一下行棋次序即可||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4315]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4339]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4339]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4340]为黑胜，yjr123先生作了补充||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4340]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4373]结尾是由yjr123先生提出！黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4373]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4399]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4399]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4403]许多棋谱有介绍，我补充一点看法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4403]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4413]请注意车四平一也可形成不变作和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4413]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4418]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4418]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4423]不变作和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4423]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4424]张云川先生的拟着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4424]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4439]和，张云川先生拟着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4439]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4440]以下双方还有变化||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4440]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4445]。。。。。。||以下双方还有变化||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4445]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4446]此变有兴趣的朋友可自细拆||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4446]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4453]此变有兴趣的朋友可自细拆。||此变曾作过探讨，但变化复杂||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4453]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4464]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4464]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4466]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4466]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4467]我的拟着另略有不同，但此变化复杂，在暂不讨论！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4467]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4474]红胜定。张云川先生的着法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4474]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4482]红胜定||张云川先生的拟着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4482]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4483]这是我从前的拟着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4483]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4511]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4511]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4512]前辈已介绍，红胜||我的拟着另略有不同，但此变化复杂，在暂不讨论！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4512]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4514]前辈已介绍过||||此变红必胜！||||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4514]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4526]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4526]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4527]红亦胜但迟胜||有兴趣的朋友可玩味一下！||呵呵！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4527]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4547]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4547]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4587]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4587]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4603]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4603]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4604]此变黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4604]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4625]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4625]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4639]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4639]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4657]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4657]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4688]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4688]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4773]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4773]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4876]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4876]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4896]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4896]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4897]yjr123提出红胜，我认为好象不成立||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4897]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4912]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4912]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4914]则红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4914]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4926]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4926]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4948]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4948]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4968]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4968]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4982]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4982]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4994]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4994]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5002]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5002]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5050]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5050]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5071]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5071]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5087]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5087]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5097]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5097]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5125]黑胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5147]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5147]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5161]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5161]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5171]红优||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5171]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5187]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5187]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5213]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5213]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5231]黑胜定||||||||[变着从略]||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5231]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5232]亦负||略||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5232]
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凌云子 · 发表于 2006-5-6 19:58:00

哈哈，我最近注册了一个博客，每天忙着写日志．

既然dave7788先生出题了，好好研究一下！

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“停车问路”，亦称“停舆待渡”、“暗袭徐州”。原载《百局象棋谱》64局，《心武残篇》134局，《渊深海阔象棋谱》82局，《竹香斋象戏谱》三集7局，四谱图势略异，着法大致相同，结论均为红先和局。
　　然而《象棋》1962年第5期，张雄飞先生指出本局红先黑胜。

此后许多棋谱（特别是前面提及清四大名谱的各类诠注版本）大多认为本局红先黑胜；如周孟芳先生的＜象棋排局精选＞一书，还有由上海文化出版社出版的，朱鹤洲先生诠注的1994年版《渊深海阔象棋谱》及后1999年出版的《江湖排局集成》第118局的结论均为红先黑胜局。
　　虽然曾见1993年陈伯琴编著的《名局赏析》2003年《象棋名局赏析入门》；还有如《民间残棋揭密》等等都认为“停车问路”着法可和，但其中却有不少有待研究之处。
　　幸见体育大学出版社李浭、陶诒漠编著《新江湖残局破解》第165局及后《象棋古谱新编--心武残篇》（1999年5月出版）均提出“弃炮平帅”求和新思路，引人注目，只可惜后半部分着法过于简单，草草判和，甚为遗憾。

由张云川先生编著，‘体育大学出版社”1999年出版《象棋残局生死棋型》60局认为红先和局的结论成立，略欠详尽．
　　另有由杨明忠、陶诒漠合编：
　　上海文化出版社，2001年1月出版《百局象棋谱》
　　上海辞书出版社，2002年2月出版《象棋谱残局诠注大全》
　　上海辞书出版社，2003年4月出版《象棋天地》第十二辑　，均有关于“停车问路”的研究，而且认为红先和局的结论成立。

大量诠正棋谱胜和结论混乱，互相矛盾，而且其中不少着法不够准确，需要进一步深入仔细的研究给以澄清。
　　经过不懈的努力，认为“停”局红先和局结论成立，欲与同好此局棋友深度探讨，遗漏之处，请海内外排局名家不吝赐教．

特别指出本局先后得到基地市长,６６７,yjr123,hzsjy，会心斋，小车马，鲛川鱼等先生的大力帮助，修订停车问路正和着法如下（选用《百》谱图势；采用现代规则）：

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1. 车一进五 …………

[是一则七子和局]

1. ………… 象５退７ 2. 车一平三 …………

如炮二平五,黑胜这是停车问路脱帽时的唯一陷阱。[此局之所以---未能成为热门的江湖排局原因亦在此--------陷阱单一，无法吸引顾客的眼球！遗憾！]

2. ………… 士５退６ 3. 车三退八车５平７ 4. 帅四平五 …………

我认为先平帅成立!![此变先后有------小车马，会心斋，yjr123等先生参于讨论！]

如先走车六进七，为公认的谱着。由于变化更复杂，另列附局一详演！

4. ………… 车７平８

车7平8是唯一正着!!

如改走车７平２，则马九进七士６进５，炮二平五将５平４
. 车六平七车２平８ . 车七进八车８退４ . 炮五平九车８平２
. 炮九进五车２退４ . 车七平九卒６进１ . 车九退七士５进６
. 车九平四车２平１ . 车四进六士４退５ . 车四平三红胜

又如走车７平３ .则马九退八士６进５ . 炮二平五将５平４
. 车六进四卒６进１ . 车六平七车３平４ . 炮五平六将４平５
. 车七进五士５退４ . 马八进六将５进１ . 马六退四将５退１
. 马四进三将５平６ . 车七平六将６进１ . 车六退一将６进１
. 马三退二将６平５ . 马二退四将５平６ . 炮六平四红胜

又如走车７退２

[后有------小车马，会心斋，yjr123等先生参于讨论此变！下面的拟着得益于yjr123先生的多处帮助与指点！谢谢！但我认为此变红胜！]

.则车六进七车７平５ . 帅五平六车５进３ . 帅六进一士６进５
. 车六平七士５退４ . 车七平一士４进５ . 车一进二士５退６
. 马九退八将５进１ . 车一退一将５进１ . 马八进七将５平６
. 车一退二将６退１ . 马七退六红胜定

5. 车六进七 …………

与第四回合先车六进七，车7平8，帅四平五殊途同归略

如改走. 炮二平三则卒６进１ . 车六进七卒６平５ . 帅五平六士６进５

（按现今规则）以下黑可胜。略

如改走车六进四则卒６平５ . 车六平三卒５进１ . 帅五平六车８平６
. 炮二进五将５进１ . 车三进四将５进１ . 车三退一将５退１
. 马九进七将５平６ . 马七退六将６平５ . 车三退七车６退１
. 马六进七将５平６ . 马七退六将６平５黑胜定

5. ………… 车８退３

黑吃炮势在必为！
如改走车８进１ . 相一退三车８平７ . 帅五进一士６进５
. 车六平八卒１平２ . 车八进二士５退４ . 马九退七车７平４
. 炮二退三车４退７ . 车八平六车４退２ . 马七进六将５平４
. 炮二平八红胜

如改走卒６平５则. 帅五平六车８进１ . 相一退三车８平７
. 帅六进一士６进５ . 车六退一车７退１ . 帅六退一卒１平２
. 炮二平五将５平６ . 炮五退二卒２平３ . 马九退七车７进１
. 炮五退二卒３进１ . 帅六进一车７平５ . 马七进五车５平４
. 帅六平五车４退６ . 马五退六红胜定
如改走卒６进１则. 帅五平六车８进１ . 相一退三车８平７
. 帅六进一士６进５ . 车六平八车７退４ . 车八进二士５退４
. 车八平六将５进１ . 马九退七将５平６ . 马七退五将６平５
. 车六退二将５退１ . 马五进三红胜

如改走士６进５则 . 车六平二士５退６ . 马九退八车８平４
. 马八进六将５平４马六进四将４平５ . 炮二平五卒６进１
. 车二平五士６进５ . 车五进一将５平４ . 车五平七将４平５
. 马四退五将５平６ . 车七平四红胜

6. 马九退八 …………

此时已形成车马斗车卒的局势！

{采用皆现代棋规时停车复杂程度可与“四大名局”《野马》一决高下。}

此时除马九退八外，红另如帅五平六,马九退七,车六平五,车六平七,相一退三,均为黑胜

如改走帅五平六 …………[谱误认为和局，后人诠为黑胜。以下为后人诠注着如下]

………… 则士６进５ . 车六退五车８进４ . 帅六进一车８退１
. 帅六退一卒１平２ . 马九退八车８进１ . 帅六进一卒２平３
. 帅六平五车８退２ . 车六进三卒６平５ . 帅五平四车８平６黑胜

如改走车六平五则士６进５ . 马九退七车８进４ . 帅五进一车８退１
. 帅五退一卒６进１ . 车五平三卒６平５ . 帅五平六车８平６
. 车三退七车６退１黑胜定

如改走马九退七则车８进４ . 帅五进一车８退１ . 帅五退一士６进５
. 车六平三车８平３ . 马七退五卒６进１ . 车三平七车３平４
. 车七退七卒１平２ . 车七平九卒２平３ . 马五进七车４平５
. 帅五平六卒３平４黑胜

如改走相一退三则车８平２ . 车六退一卒６进１ . 车六平八车２平４
. 车八进三将５进１ . 车八平四车４进３ . 马九退七将５进１
. 马七退六将５退１ . 马六进七将５进１黑胜

如改走车六平七则车８进４ . 帅五进一车８退１ . 帅五退一卒６平５
. 车七进二将５进１ . 马九退七将５进１ . 帅五平六车８进１
. 帅六进一卒１平２ . 马七退六将５退１ . 马六进四将５平６
. 车七退一将６进１ . 车七退一将６退１ . 马四进二将６平５
. 车七退一卒２平３ . 车七退五车８退１ . 帅六退一车８平３黑胜

6. ………… 车８进４

如改走……… 卒６平５[辈已介绍，现摘录介绍如下：]

. 则马八进七将５进１ . 帅五平六将５平６ . 马七退五车８进４
. 帅六进一士６进５ . 马五退三将６退１ . 车六平七将６平５
1 车七进二士５退４ . 车七平六将５进１ . 车六退五将５退１
. 车六平五将５平６ . 车五平二车８退４ . 马三退二卒１平２
. 马二退三卒２平３ . 帅六退一卒５平４ . 马三进四卒４进１
. 帅六平五卒３进１ . 马四退五红胜定

7. 帅五进一车８退１ 8. 帅五退一车８平３[与第12 着卒6 平5着法类似红胜略]
9. 帅五平六 …………

如改走车六退三车３进１ . 帅五进一车３退６ . 马八退七卒１平２
. 相一退三车３进１ . 车六平四卒２平３ . 车四平五士６进５
. 马七进五车３平４ . 马五进四将５平４ . 车五进四车４进４
. 帅五退一车４进１ . 帅五进一卒３平４黑胜

9. ………… 士６进５

如改走车３退５ . 车六进二将５进１ . 车六退一将５进１
. 马八进七将５平６ . 马七退六将６平５ . 马六退四将５平６
. 车六退二车３进６ . 帅六进一将６退１ . 马四进三士６进５
. 车六平四士５进６ . 马三进二将６退１ . 车四进一将６平５
. 马二退三车３退１ . 帅六退一将５进１ . 车四平七将５平６
. 车七退六红胜

如改走卒１平２则. 车六进二将５进１ . 车六退一将５进１
. 马八进七将５平６ . 马七退六将６平５ . 马六退四将５平６
. 车六退二将６退１ . 车六平四将６平５ . 马四进六将５平４
. 车四退四车３进１ . 帅六进一车３平５ . 车四平七车５退３
. 车七平六卒２平３ . 帅六退一车５进２ . 马六进七将４平５
. 车六进六将５进１ . 车六平四红胜

又如改走,卒6平5 [我原认为红胜，]但张云川先生认为可和以下引用其原着法如下：

. 车六进二将５进１ . 车六退一将５退１[将5进1红胜，曾作过拆解]

. 马八进七车３进１ . 帅六进一卒５平４ . 帅六平五车３退１
. 帅五退一士６进５ . 兵五进一卒４平５ . 车六退六车３退７
. 车六平五车３进８ . 帅五进一车３退１ . 帅五退一卒１平２
. 兵五进一车３平６ . 兵五进一卒２平３ . 兵五进一将５平６
. 车五平三士５进６ . 车三进五将６进１ . 兵五平四车６退６
. 车三平四将６进１和

10. 车六平九 ………

如改走车六退三。。。 [劣着！前辈已有定论！我略补充如下！]

. ………… 卒６平５ . 车六平七车３平６ . 车七进五士５退４
. 车七平六将５进１ . 马八退六车６进１ . 帅六进一卒１平２
. 马六进七将５平６ . 马七退五将６平５ . 马五进三车６退７
. 帅六退一车６平７ . 车六退八车７平６ . 帅六平五将５平６黑胜定

如改走车六进一同车六退三黑胜略！

又如走车六平八则将５平６ . 车八进二将６进１ . 车八退一车３进１
. 帅六进一车３退６ . 相一进三卒１平２ . 车八平七车３平２黑胜定

10. ………… 将５平６

如改走车３退８ . 车九进二车３平１ . 马八进七将５平６
. 马七进九卒１平２马九退八卒２平３ . 马八退七卒６进１
. 马七退八卒３平２ . 帅六进一红胜定

如改走车３退５则 . 车九进二士５退４ . 车九平六将５进１
. 车六退一将５退１ . 马八进七将５平６ . 车六进一将６进１
. 车六平四将６平５ . 车四平二将５平６ . 车二退一将６进１
. 车二退三将６退１ . 马七退五车３进６ . 帅六进一将６平５
. 车二平五将５退１ . 马五进三将５平６ . 车五平四红胜定

如改走卒１平２则 . 车九进二士５退４ . 马八进六将５进１
. 马六退四将５平６ . 马四进二将６平５ . 马二进三将５平６
. 车九退三将６退１ . 车九平四将６平５ . 马三退四将５进１
. 车四退四车３平５ . 马四进三将５退１ . 车四平六士４进５
. 车六退一车５退２ . 车六平八士５退４ . 马三退四将５进１
. 马四退六将５退１ . 马六进七将５进１ . 车八平二车５平４
. 车二平六车４进２ . 帅六进一红胜定

如改走卒６平５[前辈有过研究！重新探讨，补充如下] .则车九进二士５退４ .

马八进六将５进１ . 马六退四将５平６. 马四进二将６平５

. 车九退四将５退１ . 马二退四车３退７ . 车九平六将５平６ .

车六进四将６进１ . 马四进二将６平５ . 车六退四将５退１ .

马二退四将５平６ . 马四进六车３平４[下红可胜] 帅六平五卒１平２ .

相一进三卒５平６ . 帅五进一卒２平３. 兵五进一将６平５ .

兵五进一将５平６ . 兵五进一将６平５ . 兵五进一将５平６ .

车六平四将６平５ . 车四进三车４进１ . 兵五进一将５平４ . 车四进一红胜

11，车九进二将６进１

如士5退4红则马八进六胜定

12. 车九退五车３退５

如改走卒１平２则. 车九平四士５进６ . 车四退二车３退５
. 车四进四车３进６ . 帅六进一车３平５ . 马八进六将６平５
. 马六进七将５平６ . 车四平五士６退５ . 车五进二将６进１
. 车五退四车５退２ . 车五平四将６平５ . 车四平七将５平６
. 马七退五将６退１ . 马五退六将６退１ . 马六退四车５平７
. 马四进五将６进１ . 车七进四将６进１ . 马五进六卒２平３
. 帅六平五红胜定
如改走卒６平５则车九平四士５进６ . 车四平七卒１平２
. 车七退三卒２平３ . 马八退七卒５进１ . 马七退八和

13. 车九平四 …………

如改走车九退三,前辈已介绍黑胜.又如马八退七则卒6平5,,相一进三,卒5进1黑胜定

13. ………… 士５进６ 14. 马八退七 …………

停车问路,点题正着![马八退七形成局面相当复杂,是本文重点研究,专门探讨！]

如改走进车退车均负!

如红进车------- 即车四进二，（略作补充）车３进６ . 帅六进一卒６平５

马八进六将６平５ . 车四平五将５平４ . 车五平六将４平５ .

车六平五将５平４ . 车五平六将４平５[将一杀须变着 .]

，车六退八车３退１ . 帅六退一车３退６ . 相一进三卒５进１
. 相三退五卒１平２ . 马八退七卒２平３ . 车六退二车３平１
. 马七退八车１进５ . 车六退二车１平２ . 车六平八卒３平４黑胜

又如红退车-----即车四退二吃兵必负！

（朱鹤洲前辈对此变深研！欲深入研究“车四退二”者请参阅由上海文化出版社出版的，朱鹤洲先生诠注的1994年版《渊深海阔象棋谱》及后1999年出版的《江湖排局集成》第118局）[下仅介绍我增补的一变。]

………… 则车３平２ . 帅六平五车２进２ . 车四进四车２平３
. 帅五平四车３进４ . 帅四进一车３平５ . 车四进一将６平５
. 车四退四卒１平２ . 车四平三卒２平３ . 相一退三卒３平４
. 帅四进一将５平４ . 车三进五将４退１ . 车三进一将４进１
. 车三退六车５平６ . 帅四平五车６退１ . 车三平一车６平７
. 帅五平四车７退１ . 帅四退一车７平５ . 车一平四卒４平５
. 帅四退一车５平４黑胜

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[下着法曾与hzsjy先生探讨多次！蒙hzsjy先生的多次指点，更正不少错着]

14. ………… 卒１平２

[恳请诸位高手]帮我重点看看第14------16回合的变化，尤其是黑变着是否有误！
因为首先需要确定此局的和局结论是否成立！]

如改走将６平５ .则帅六平五将５退１ . 车四退二车３进２
. 车四进五车３进３ . 帅五平四卒１平２ . 兵五进一车３退１
. 兵五进一车３平５ . 车四退六车５退３ . 车四平八车５进５
. 帅四进一车５退４ . 车八进八将５进１ . 车八平四和

如改走车３进１

[张云川先生的《象棋残局生死棋型》有介绍以下着法出自该书]

则. 帅六平五卒１平２ . 相一退三卒２平３ . 车四退二车３进１
. 车四退一车３平７ . 相三进一车７平８ . 相一退三车８进４
. 车四平三卒３平４ . 兵五进一车８退４ . 车三平六车８平５
. 帅五平四和

15. 帅六平五 …………

再度停车问路！正应！红退车吃卒必负！

马七进五车３进６。帅六进一卒６平５黑胜

马七退六卒６平５ . 马六退八车３进６ . 帅六进一车３退１
. 帅六退一卒５进１黑胜

15. ………… 卒２平３

另有卒6平7，卒6平5，车3进 1，将6平5，等四种着法见附图二

16. 马七进五 …………

再度停车问路！正着！

如改走车四退二，车３进２ . 帅五平四卒３平４（卒3平4正着！如车3进1红幸和）

. 车四进五将６平５ . 帅四进一车３进３相一退三卒４平５
. 帅四进一车３进１车四平三车３平６ . 帅四平五车６平５
. 车三退四卒５平４ . 帅五平六卒４平３ . 车三进五将５退１
. 车三进一将５进１ . 车三退六车５平４ . 帅六平五将５平４
. 帅五平四车４平６ . 帅四平五车６平５ . 帅五平四卒３平４
. 车三进五将４退１ . 车三退五车５平６ . 帅四平五车６退１

. 车三进六将４进１ . 车三退一将４退１ . 车三退五车６平８
. 帅五平四车８退１ . 帅四退一车８平５ . 车三平四卒４平５
. 帅四退一车５平４

黑胜

如改走帅五平四则卒３平４ . 车四退二车３进２ . 车四进五将６平５
. 帅四进一车３进３ . 相一进三卒４平５ . 帅四进一车３退２
. 兵五进一车３平７ . 帅四平五车７平５ . 帅五平四车５退１

黑胜定

如改走帅五进一则详见附图三详演，（升帅变化极为复杂，通过yjr123版主的审核，帮助与指点！我经过长时间的研究，帅五进一无法守和！）

16. ………… 车３平５ 17. 马五退七 …………

又一次停车问路！正着！

红以上这两着是张云川先生所提出的,绝妙应着!!!红方利用规则求和!

如改走马五退三则卒６平５ . 帅五平四卒５进１
. 车四进三将６平５ . 车四退二车５平４ . 马三进四将５退１
. 马四进三将５平４ . 车四平六车４进１ . 马三退五将４平５
. 马五退六卒３平４ . 马六退七卒４进１黑胜

如改走兵五进一则卒６平５ . 车四进二车５平６
. 马五进六将６退１ . 马六退四卒３平４ . 马四退三卒５进１
. 帅五平四卒４进１ . 马三退四士６退５ . 兵五进一卒４平５黑胜定

如改走车四退二则车５进１ . 车四退一车５进２
. 帅五平四车５平８ . 相一退三车８进３ . 车四进六将６平５
车四平三车８退１ . 车三退五车８平４ . 车三平五将５平４
. 相三进一车４平８ . 帅四平五车８进１ . 帅五进一卒３平４
. 帅五平四车８退１ . 帅四退一卒４平５黑胜

17. ………… 车５平３

如改走卒６平５则 . 相一退三卒３平４ . 相三进五车５平８
. 相五退三车８平１ . 马七退八车１进５ . 马八退六车１平４
. 帅五平四车４退６ . 车四平五黑下风可守和

如改走卒６平７ .则帅五进一车５平８ . 马七进五车８平５
. 兵五进一车５平４ . 马五进四车４进５ . 帅五进一将６平５
. 车四平三车４退２ . 车三退二车４平５ . 帅五平六车５退１
. 马四退六将５平４ . 车三进四车５进４和

如改走卒３平４ . 则车四退二车５平１ . 马七退八车１进５
. 帅五平四卒４平５ . 马八退七车１平３ . 马七进五车３平５
. 车四进五将６平５ . 车四退四和

18. 马七进五车３进４

如改走车５平３ .则马七进五车３平５ . 马五退七车５平３
. 马七进五车３平５ . 马五退七双方不变，作和

19. 马五进四将６平５

如改走车３平５则
. 帅五平四将６平５ . 马四进三将５退１ . 车四平七将５平６
. 车七进五将６进１ . 马三退二将６平５ . 车七退八车５退１
. 马二退四将５平６ . 车七进七将６退１ . 车七进一将６进１
. 车七退八车５退３ . 马四退三车５平２ . 马三退四车２进６
. 帅四进一车２退２ . 车七进七将６退１ 3. 车七平五车２平６
. 帅四平五和

20. 马四退六。。。。

如改走马四进三则将５退１ . 车四平五将５平６ . 马三退一（劣着？）. ………… 车３退５ 23. 车五平六卒６平５ 24. 车六平四将６平５. 帅五平四卒５进１黑胜定

20。。。将５平４

如改走将５退１ . 则车四平五 …………（正着，而车四平七？劣着和）

……… 将５平６ . 则马六退四车３平５ . 帅五平六车５平４
. 帅六平五将６进１ . 马四进三将６进１ . 车五平四将６平５
. 车四平七将５平６ . 车七进三将６退１ . 车七退一将６进１
. 马三退四将６退１ . 车七平四将６平５ . 车四平六车４平２
. 马四进三将５进１ . 车六平七车２平５ . 帅五平四将５平６
. 马三退四将６退１ . 车七进二将６退１ . 马四进三将６平５
. 车七进一红胜

21. 车四平六卒３平４

如改走车３平１ . 则马六进四将４平５
. 车六进四将５进１ . 马四退五车１退４ . 帅五进一车１平８
. 车六平四车８进５ . 帅五退一车８退５ . 帅五进一车８进５
. 帅五退一车８退５和

如改走卒６平５则.则马六进四将４平５. 车六进四将５进１ . 马四退五红胜定

22. 车六退三卒６进１
23. 马六退七将４平５ 24. 车六平四车３进２ 25. 帅五进一车３退１
26. 帅五退一车３平６ 27. 相一进三车６退２

红可守和

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[此贴子已经被作者于2006-5-6 23:42:54编辑过]

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-5-3 23:53:00

dave7788 · 发表于 2006-5-6 09:00:00

研究得好！

轻车熟路，请研究研究红马改在八—十位的《停车问路》局！

hzsjy · 发表于 2006-5-6 13:12:00

以下是引用dave7788在2006-5-6 9:00:00的发言：

研究得好！

轻车熟路，请研究研究红马改在八—十位的《停车问路》局！

哈哈！
“凌云子”你有事做了！红车与黑车的选点都要变了，也不可能走成“马兵相和单车”了。

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-6-16 23:42:00

摆棋研究出来的着法有很多错误！

我每晚上线，都是由软件帮我校校此局！

可能是因为不会使用软件吧，还没有找到窍门吧。

四十天老晚上都没有关机，居然只有以下一点成果！好可怜！

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hzsjy · 发表于 2006-6-17 19:58:00

您好：
不可怜。想“四大名局”200多年还要接受现代人的。。。。。。。。。
我提个建议，不一定得当：
停他几年再看，肯定不一样！

此帖一定要顶！

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-6-17 22:40:00

hzsjy 先生您好！

谢谢您的支持！

您的建议非常好！

“停他几年再看，肯定不一样！”

我以前就“停”过几次，后来又重新再看，的确又有新发现！

我想自己天资愚钝，是无法得出最后结论，但几年后会有人给正确的定论！

。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

给棋艺投稿此局的一周年纪念

去年此时给棋艺写了两封信，投稿此局。

后来杂志社给我来信了，说稿件转到华工网审稿！

从此业余的许多时间与电脑相伴，也跟华工网结缘，

认识了许多高手，前辈，老师，棋友...........

从最初的yjr123版主的审稿，到后来在网络的所见所闻，

逐见认识完成停局还有待时日，且自身的棋艺的提高也非一日之工！

在已公开发表的资料基础上，集华工众人的智慧，有了初步的看法！

在６６７先生的建议下，公开了我以前的研究成果在这＂残局探索＂，

起初我还担心有人引用或占有大家共同探索的变化，后来为了停局的真谛！

还是公开了，欲抛砖引玉．．．．．．．．．

白老师的建议也很好，每个小变化用软件逐一自动去校．

这样自己每晚可以做其它事，不用再大量精力去研究．

就是进展很慢！

是的，自己既可暂时放弃直接研究停局，又完成校对！

hzsjy · 发表于 2006-6-18 20:56:00

您好：
28着变2（将6平5）至25着变（兵五进一）再至43变（帅五进一）到61着改走兵五进一红胜。

28着变2至34着变3至45着兵五平六后黑接走卒3平4黑可胜。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-6-18 21:10:20编辑过]

凌云子 · 发表于 2006-6-18 21:28:00

回上楼，

{28着变2（将6平5）至25着变（兵五进一）再至43变（帅五进一）到61着改走兵五进一红胜。}

您的此变意见是正确的。谢谢！

而{28着变2至34着变3至45着兵五平六后黑接走卒3平4黑可胜。}

此变黑接走卒3平4，红似有车五平六即杀！

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