天门阵汇总贴

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:13:34

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]天门阵[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8599999959399918418483999999635132999999309999993342089999998768[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]833332334140304084444030394868695958424885803031808748471837333787863738585738378626474844473739474639374647373947463937464737394746[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]4252183768585949333444463031375808588555[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_16_2]080163625242854534324642015158465141425287775257776757373262453562323732[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_16_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3]336337583031853552323505325205086364444231320802323142406444020131325141[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_12_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4]428244483338850582320508383508073555594955511826685807474050483851522634323863535262344262424742[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_14_5]357507474030483832025949[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_14_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_6]3363854540304808635359495351182682122634121939481918342251214837[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_7]08094849333885454030490968585949[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_8_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]这个有边卒的天门阵按现代棋规是红胜局，黑方最佳走法只能走成一将一杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]这一变最后走成黑方一将一杀，按现代棋规是红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]黑攻势瓦解，红多子胜势胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_17] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]红多子胜势，下面有多种胜法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_19]红多子胜势，下面有多种胜法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]红得车胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_6]这个有黑边卒的天门阵原图，黑方走炮5平9是劣变，红可以取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_19]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]至此红多子胜势，有多种胜法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_15]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_15] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:14:13

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]天门阵[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]4118993959999999858384516399999932999999309999993308426899999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]833332334140304084444282858268585949403018373337394837384837383744343747493930318285473739490801850501510555373455513130515834394948393848493858[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_1]82803031514131418050336350580858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2]394833638545636444344030455564745949828918377479485979754948755534365559[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3]4448080948493338854540304909686959498289[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]这种故意漏摆黑卒的摆法，实为黑胜。||||这个图还有多种摆法，例如红车退后一步。或者把车炮炮移至二路。或者车炮炮移至二路红车退后一步。着法并无区别。但是后来出现的后炮退后一步的棋图，着法就完全不同，反成为红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment6]没有边卒的天门阵图，这步炮5平9成为取胜要着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6] [DhtmlXQ_comment36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment36] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑多子胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_24]||合并来源：||文件：大破天门阵2.XQF||标题：天门阵||赛事：||日期：||红方：||黑方：||结果：和局||方式：[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:14:56

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]4199999959399918868385999999516332999999309999993342089999999968[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]833332334140304085454030394833341837345459495451863651313631303163536858534342453745[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]42624857586837160807163531304342626435230747231130314505644449594404112331302304[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_2]6263352307472311303145056343495943031103[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_28_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_3]3431868131114839080151410141814111174142173739483747594968584232304032524748493948455258[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_17_4]4541111481821434824234373948[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_17_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_5]416134376168373959583933[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_6]4248594968588680303145755859495933638084313284343242340442327571484104023231514131411837[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_6] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_7]425259496858183752578687336337580858875758515751634351553031483731304548[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_7] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_8]4282868268585949403018373337394837384837383745353747493947453538456538376569393869493731080082225848383749393747000122203031202131322101485801023231514131300200[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_8_20_9]303182843132843432423545[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_20_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]后来出现的把后炮后移一步并去掉黑卒的天门阵图。虽然只是一步之差，结论却是红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment21]形成马高兵必胜炮低卒的局面，红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_45]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:15:34

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]天门阵修改图[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7699999959399918417573999999635132999999309999993342089999997868[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]733332334140304075454030394833341837685837587868584608094837343776704240594937394948393670403040466540304542097942527978[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1]45473438183738487636423236323040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]42727672685859494030183733373948373848373837453537474939474535384565723230403242403038376569393869674232304037475848384867474838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_20_3]303172743132743432423545425263625251626151413444[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_20_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_26_4]083834384252385852425878[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_26_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]这是后炮型的天门阵图。增加黑卒后黑势过强，又成为了黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:16:13

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[DhtmlXQ_move_35_13_37]4540000959493839[/DhtmlXQ_move_35_13_37] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_38]42828682685859494030183734373948373848373837453537474939474535384565823230403242403038376567423230403747676939385848384878684838[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]这局兵低一路，车炮在一路的修改局，目前的结论是红先和。但有几变还需要深入研究。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_comment39]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment39] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]直接抽兵吃是劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]红一将一杀违例[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]此时不可随手进车将军。否则后面马位不佳，难以守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]至此马炮双兵要守和车炮，变化十分繁复。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]求和要着||如走马六进七，则将4平5，演变为黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_57]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_57] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_38]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_51]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment14_44]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment15_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_55]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_38]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_13]车平三路守住要道，是不易想到的走法。||||如果急于进攻走车一进六，则要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_27]双方都不愿变着，和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_24]强行求变于黑并不利[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_55]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_56]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment21_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_44] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_56]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_56] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_66]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_66] [DhtmlXQ_comment26_74]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_74] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_50]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_64]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_64] [DhtmlXQ_comment29_58]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_58] [DhtmlXQ_comment30_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_52] [DhtmlXQ_comment31_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment32_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment33_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment34_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_50]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_50] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_21]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment37_16]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_37] [/DhtmlXQ]

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:17:37

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:21:00

原图和修改图是星海棋友提供，很多变化也都是华工网棋友研究的结果。我没有一一说明出处，望棋友们见谅。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:27:31

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7699999959399918417573999999635132999999309999993342089999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]天罗地网[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]这是我改的一局，变化复杂，有待于继续研究。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [/DhtmlXQ]

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:30:10

[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7699999959399918417573999999635132999999309999993342089999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]天罗地网[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7333323341403040754540303948424845353363767785757787687835390809393709088780303180843132840463695958696737396769393769673739676939376966585775650402323102053132373966675758676939384818380869490565786858571858656232316268585168614959574759494757514108883130575849446151[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-15 16:57:16

这几天我就想把“天门阵”汇总一下。只可惜“天罗地网”的变化都成代码了。

hzsjy · 发表于 2008-11-15 19:09:33

呵呵：不要以讹传讹。此图是和不假。可只有１４回合。我真的不知是“江湖脚本”还是是先生的改局应相信哪个？

667 · 发表于 2008-11-15 22:40:48

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/thread-19531-2-11.html

里的帖子已手工编辑，应该能正常显示棋盘了。

原理： [DhtmlXQ_generator] http://www.dpxq.com/ [/DhtmlXQ_generator]

2边多了空格把空格去掉，让dz判断不出来这个是网址即可了

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-16 00:12:07

多谢补充。
又修正了5楼一些变化。5楼的图黑虽有微弱优势，我觉得也能演成和局。华工网以前对此局有定论吗？

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-16 04:30:07

天罗地网真的是和棋吗？请大家指出下面红胜法的错误。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment21_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_26] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_8]这步变化会形成马士高兵对炮高低卒的残局，深入研究后得出结论为红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment22_45]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_39]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment26_43]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment27_47]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment28_49]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment29_53]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment30_55]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment31_55]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_55] [DhtmlXQ_comment33_43]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment34_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_8]这个变化形成车炮士对车高卒，结论为红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment35_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_29]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment37_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_37] 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hzsjy · 发表于 2008-11-16 06:50:15

第９着车二平九是正着。但后面着法可能有误。（第１５着应车九退七简单成和。）第１８着应炮５退５黑可胜。天门(和棋)

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-16 10:01:33

以前我也以为这是正着，其实是败着。在“天罗地网”37楼可以看到以前研究的变化：http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/thread-19531-2-11.html [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7699999959399918417573999999635132999999309999993342089999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]天罗地网[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7333323341403040754540303948424876063335[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_39_36_1]42522544634384545242654547445453[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_36_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_39_22_2]6333653533130504131939384414372532423545425204061416516148460603161325135242132142410343[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_22_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_39_18_3]85750502323102043132183763653758653558664840665435370408757608003747495932315433474251414241000131300141[/DhtmlXQ_move_39_18_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_30_4]35394948393848490828040232310200282100402151544238324250[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_30_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_30_5]3536040008010030013130403121403021315141[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_30_5] 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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-16 10:21:55

原帖由 hzsjy 于 2008-11-15 19:09 发表呵呵：不要以讹传讹。此图是和不假。可只有１４回合。我真的不知是“江湖脚本”还是是先生的改局应相信哪个？

我改的棋局就不能用作江湖脚本吗？10年前我认识了一位老人，非常可怜，靠摆棋局谋生。我还在他那里交过“学费” 后来他给我讲了一些棋局，我也送了他几局，其中就有这局“天罗地网”。以前这局棋就是以第9着车二平九为正和，经“yjr123”和“不老松”两位棋友指正，最后才走成37楼着法。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-16 11:08:04

原帖由 zhiqihuang 于 2008-11-16 00:12 发表多谢补充。又修正了5楼一些变化。5楼的图黑虽有微弱优势，我觉得也能演成和局。华工网以前对此局有定论吗？

以前没有定论，认为难和就把精力放在“天罗地网”一局上了。

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-16 11:10:36

车4进2厉害。那么多变着白研究了

hzsjy · 发表于 2008-11-16 11:25:32

原帖由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 10:21 发表我改的棋局就不能用作江湖脚本吗？10年前我认识了一位老人，非常可怜，靠摆棋局谋生。我还在他那里交过“学费” 后来他给我讲了一些棋局，我也送了他几局，其中就有这局“天罗地网”。以前这局棋就是以第9着车二平九为正 ...

啊：不要误会。我以为“江湖脚本”定是前人用以谋生的手稿或笔记之类的东西。倒是没想过自己的。。。。。。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-11-16 13:17:08

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其一若是和局算红胜的规则，应选择简和。

其二主动变着后的局面无论是否有胜机，对于挑战者而言都是陌生的，速和是明智的选择。

其三，当然主动变着后的局面还是可以从理论上进行完整的探讨。

其四，十回合左右已呈和象，是无法成为第五大名局的。

其五，支持任何形式上的改局，哪怕只是移动一子而产生新变化的局势。耳目一新的原创局更佳。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-16 13:33:05

原帖由 凌云子 于 2008-11-16 13:17 发表 www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] 500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] 7699999959399918417573999999635132999999309999993342089999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit] 天罗地网[/DhtmlXQ_title] 和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] 这是我改的一局，变化复 ...

请问哪家棋规规定和棋红胜？去年象甲联赛实行的倒是和棋黑胜，不过很快就废除了。我们研究棋局应该站在公正的立场，红方明明有机会，为什么要速和？我认为排局就是要把中国象棋最精彩的一面展示出来。您认为排局的目的是什么？就是为了迎合某些江湖骗子吗？请恕在下不能同意您的观点。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-11-16 16:49:07

原帖由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 13:33 发表研究棋局应该站在公正的立场，我认为排局就是要把中国象棋最精彩的一面展示出来。

我们的观点并不矛盾。

我的观点是（其三，当然）主动变着后的局面还是可以从理论上进行完整的探讨。

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-11-16 17:27:41

引用:
原帖由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 10:21 发表我改的棋局就不能用作江湖脚本吗？10年前我认识了一位老人，非常可怜，靠摆棋局谋生。我还在他那里交过“学费” 后来他给我讲了一些棋局，我也送了他几局，其中就有这局“天罗地网”。

引用:
原帖由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 13:33 发表请问哪家棋规规定和棋红胜。“和棋算红胜”永远不能写到中国象棋排局的“棋规”里面。您认为排局的目的是什么？就是为了迎合某些江湖骗子吗？

星海兄去棋滩下棋的目的是什么？

应该不是为了迎合某些江湖骗子吧，而是为了赢钱或是为了学习交流！

您曾将天罗地网送给老人，您应该不希望非常可怜的老人摆天罗地网被人速和而输钱吧。

在下关心的是-------您下棋那个棋滩的江湖规则是什么？

红黑任选，和棋红胜是棋滩的江湖惯例。无需什么权威人士或研究会的权威认证。

关于中国象棋排局的“棋规”，置顶有专贴讨论。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-11-16 17:37:49

原帖由 凌云子 于 2008-11-16 17:27 发表引用:原帖由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 10:21 发表我改的棋局就不能用作江湖脚本吗？10年前我认识了一位老人，非常可怜，靠摆棋局谋生。我还在他那里交过“学费” 后来他给我讲了一些棋局，我也送了他几局，其中就有这局 ...

和棋就是和棋，没有红胜的说法。走红棋的一般都要中圈套。比较复杂的棋局走和有一元钱奖励，简单的没有。输赢都是两元。能揭开帽子走到那一步说明棋力不低，明明是又是，为什么低声下气要主动求和？

在这里讨论棋艺您不应该搬出某些江湖棋摊中的那一套。

[ 本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2008-11-16 17:39 编辑 ]

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-11-16 18:40:45

主动和棋是从战略高度的策略和局，主要为了走和后一元钱奖励，何来低声下气之说？这叫不战而胜，黑方胆敢变着，再发挥水平赢他二元不迟。

667 · 发表于 2008-11-16 23:22:33

智慧来自不同声音

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-17 00:10:18

一般江湖青盘棋都是结论和棋，但黑一直有略微优势。如果红能简单和棋，那么已经排除了黑有优势的可能性，做为青盘棋是不合适的。
所谓简单和棋，是指只要黑方变着，红方有非常简单的应对方案（或速和，或大优，或取胜）。这盘棋并不能说是红可以简单和棋。21楼所列变化其实是红方经过非常深远的计算下出来的，如果黑方变着，红不一定能从容应付。
我来做一次江湖老头，下下变着试试

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zhiqihuang · 发表于 2008-11-17 06:14:54

受车4进2妙着的启发，黑是不是有完全不同的方案来取得优势呢？
崭新思路，目前所有变着都是黑胜，当然离下结论还早。大家一起来找错吧。（老头翘起腿抽烟ing...)
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hzsjy · 发表于 2008-11-17 07:23:22

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改了很多次，目前认为只有这一局是在华工修改成功的。

老兄辛苦了

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红方不主动变着速和。

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