探索“过昭关”

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-1-28 10:20:58

昭关难过，伍子胥一夜白了头，愁。昭关也好过，伍子胥很快就过去了。“过昭关”局因是小型江湖局，可能不太引人注意，所以至今尚无正确的着法，可以说问世百年还没过去。先看看下文—— 作者：张云川、余俊瑞、王振发表于《棋艺》杂志2005第四期本栏目由华工象棋网橘中秘排局研究会审定　　过昭关原载于《蕉竹斋》，虽是小型排局，但布子巧妙，着法精警，具有鲜明的江湖特色和较高的艺术水平，其中蕴含的双卒对炮兵等实用残局的攻守技巧，极具实用价值。原谱着法有重大失误，人民体育出版社1991年出版的诠注本和上海辞书出版社2002年出版的《象棋古谱残局诠证大全》（以下简称两种诠注本）已做了部分诠订，但关键之处尚未涉及，现将原谱着法、两种诠注本诠订着法和笔者的研究心得，一并介绍如下：　　一、《蕉竹斋》原谱着法：（图1）　　 1.后车平六　　马3进4 　　 2.兵五进一　　将4平5 　　 3.车二平五　　将5平4 　　 4.车六进四车4退6 5.车五退三卒7进1？　　 6.帅四平五？车4进5 7.车五进七车4平5 8.车五退六卒6平5 9.兵九进一卒7进1 10.炮二进二卒7平6 11.兵九进一将4平5 12.帅五平六卒6平5 13.帅六平五后卒平6 14.帅五平六卒6平5 15.帅六平五后卒平4 16.帅五平四卒5平6 17.兵九平八将5进1 18.兵八平七将5平6 19.兵七平六卒6进1 20.帅四平五卒4进1 21.兵六平五卒4平5 22.兵五进一？卒6平5 23.帅五平六后卒平4 　　 24.炮二退一卒5平4？ 25.帅六平五后卒平5 26.兵五平四将6平5 27.兵四平五卒4平5 28.帅五平六后卒平4 29.兵三平四将5平4 30.兵四平三？　　原谱着法至此判和。　　二、两种诠注本诠订着法：　　（一）第24回合黑方卒5平4是软着，改走将6进1可胜，以下红炮二平一，卒5平4，帅六平五，后卒平5，兵五平四，将6平5，炮一进二，卒4平5，帅五平六，后卒平4，兵四平五，将5平4，炮一退二，卒5平4，帅六平五，后卒平5，兵五平六，将4平5，炮一进二，将5平6，炮一平四，卒5进1，帅五平四，卒4进1，黑胜。　　（二）第22回合红方兵五进一是劣着，应改走兵五平四，和定。　　（三）第30回合红方兵四平三是步明显的劣着，因以下黑有将4进1的妙手，所以红方此时应改走兵五平六才是和棋。　　三、笔者诠订着法：　　经过以上两种诠注本的诠订，这局棋的着法似已圆满，但是笔者经研究发现，第6回合红方帅四平五是步不明显的劣着，改走车五进三可以按现行棋规演变为红胜。着法如下：车五进三，卒７进１（如车４平８，则炮二平三，车８进６，帅四平五，车８平４，车五平三，卒６进１，车三平五，黑无杀着，红多子胜定），车五平四！车４进５，车四进四，卒７平８，兵三平四（如车四平五，则车４平５，红无趣），车４平５（如卒８进１，则炮二平一，卒８平９，炮一平三，卒６平７，车四平五！车４平６，帅四平五，车６退７，车五退六，红胜势），车四退五，将４进１，车四平二，将４平５，车二平四，卒６平７，车四退二，卒７平６（如车５退２，兵九进一，车５平１，车四平五，将５平４，帅四平五，车１平４，车五进七，将４进１，车五进一，将４退１，炮二进九，红胜），车四平三，车５退１，兵九进一，车５平６，车三平五，卒６平５，车五平四，卒５平６，车四平五，卒６平５，车五平四，卒５平６，车四平五，卒６平５。《1999年竞赛规则》中明确指出兵（卒）本身捉吃对方的棋子（不含将、杀）按闲处理，如形成相互长打局面，则应按捉处理。现在卒５平６这步棋，车卒联合叫杀（捉车）应算捉，黑方不变作负。　　作为江湖棋局，这种红胜结论让人觉得不够尽善尽美。笔者经过长时间探索后终于发现第5回合黑方卒７进１是步不明显的劣着，改走将４进１或车４平８可以起死回生。着法如下：车４平８（亦可改走将４进１，帅四平五，车４进５，车五进七，将４进１，帅五进一，车４进１，帅五退一，车４退１，帅五进一，双方不变作和），炮二平三，车８进４，帅四平五，车８平４，车五进七，车４进１，帅五进一，车４进１，帅五退一，车４退１，帅五进一，双方不变作和。

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-1-28 10:25:46

古谱着法有错—— [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7599999959999999769979999960064199999999309999203899999999645748[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]过昭关（红先）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7636203241403040754540303632383245486465594932374841374741475747060565667977665605043040493956463949473749484041485837477779465679494757585941314945564659495758453546470414474849395859[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]7555575855584858594958484959383679703240[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_2]481832367969366618383040384840306968660668690666696866366869303159493637484131324140374740475747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_34] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_13_3]59493646184857474868304079784737495946495958494858594868[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_13_3] [DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4]484030317970374740475747060565667077665605043141493956463949473749394131394937387775464775454757041457584535384849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_4] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_42] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5]4959465604143738770738481424565707084849[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_29_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment5_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]以上是原谱变着，下面是精确的黑胜方法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_28]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_6]0504666704146768142468582434474849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_23_7]798968588988584849594757[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_23_7] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_8]0414474849395646142446367778363724344849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_32] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_9]39384636041447483839363777784849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_25_9] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_32]黑胜（原谱变着）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment26]这是象棋软件给出的精妙胜法！原谱着法欠准而误作和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_10]495946560414404114243738771738482434565717184858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_11]0414415148493738777546477555474849593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_11] [DhtmlXQ_comment11_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_37_12]4919574759495657191657581636474849395859[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_37_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_46] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]《蕉竹斋》97局本第13局。原谱和棋，结论正确但着法有误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_13]3031594932374841313206055758414464650504655504145556142456574434373424345747797858484939473732423444[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]应改走车五进三。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_34] [/DhtmlXQ]

dave7788 · 发表于 2011-1-28 10:35:39

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dave7788 · 发表于 2011-1-28 10:40:58

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dave7788 · 发表于 2011-1-28 19:53:30

准备与首成合诠一下《蕉竹斋》，才注意到一些以前不注意的棋局。《蕉竹斋》是一部挺好的排局古谱，结论错误的作品所占的比例比较少，整理了110局，原结论不对的还不到20局。

会心斋 · 发表于 2011-2-1 16:31:27

学习了。你用电脑软件发现的“前卒平4”黑胜着法很有价值！我看后受益匪浅！但昭关的过法，仍不是4楼的着法，4楼着法仍有错。关于昭关的过法，我曾发表在《象棋研究》2005年第5期，当时所拟主干着法正确，但细部变化有误。着法要点：6、车五进三，再帅四平五，再帅五进一，和。详情请再到内部论坛看我新发的“再谈过昭关”。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-12 11:37:17

[新江湖殘局破解]第188局險過昭關的局勢, 那這樣走大陸規則判黑勝了( 還未深研黑方有無其他勝法 )

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-12 11:44:43

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-12 11:48:26

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-12 12:02:04

調整一下,有點亂,某些變化未窮盡

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-13 09:45:09

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-13 09:53:09

回复 11# 聨吟客

這樣紅好一點?呵呵
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-13 10:04:43

所以黑方應仍以10樓主變為正,使紅違反大陸規則落敗

若亞洲規則倒是一則有趣的局,正解雖不長,但變化也一時難釐清

聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-13 14:11:02

第5回合卒7平6!!紅好像也難走,亞洲規則也沒辦法了?
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2011-2-13 14:21:25

回复 14# 聨吟客

再研究看看

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会心斋 · 发表于 2011-2-13 16:02:43

黑卒太近，兑车后单炮无法守和双卒。

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 01:25:34

会心斋发表于 2011-2-1 16:31
学习了。你用电脑软件发现的“前卒平4”黑胜着法很有价值！我看后受益匪浅！
但昭关的过法，仍不是4楼的着 ...

“过昭关”问题迟迟不得解决，是谁的悲哀呢？

dave7788 · 发表于 2012-5-19 07:00:37

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-5-19 01:25
“过昭关”问题迟迟不得解决，是谁的悲哀呢？

已经解决——
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]如图，原载于《蕉竹斋》，虽是小型排局，但布子巧妙，着法精警，具有浓厚的江湖特色和较高的艺术水平。而且其中蕴含的双卒对炮兵等实用残局的攻守技巧，极具实用价值。||原谱着法有重大失误，人民体育出版社1991年出版的诠注本和上海辞书出版社2002年出版的《象棋古谱残局诠证大全》作了部分诠正，但关键之处未涉及。||2004年6月，笔者在华工象棋网提出按原谱着法走至第13回合，黑方改走前卒平6可胜（实际胜不了），第6回合，红方改走车五进三可和（结论正确，但当时拟着变化不够详尽）。||2004年12月，王振棋友指出按原谱着法走至第13回合黑前卒平6并不能胜。余俊瑞、王振棋友提出第6回合红方车五进三然后接走车五平四可演成红胜（丰富了该变的内涵，但实际胜不了）。第5回合黑方改走将4进1可和。||2011年1月，白宏宽棋友利用电脑软件发现按原谱着法走至第13回合，黑方改走前卒平4可胜！并把第6回合红方改走车五进三然后接走车五平四的套路改进为和棋（丰富了该变的内涵，但结论仍不正确）。||在以上研究成果的基础上，笔者再作进一步研究，发现第6回合红方改走车五进三然后接走车五平四的变化实为黑胜！正确的走法应该还是笔者在2004年6月就已在华工象棋网提出，并发表在《象棋研究》2005年第5期的着法：第6回合红方改走车五进三，接着帅四平五，然后帅五进一，简洁而巧妙成和。||——张云川 2011年2月1日[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]！||另有3种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]！||这是笔者创新的着法，阴沉有力，借捉卒抢得一先，可以谋得和棋。||另有两种走法均负：[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]！||此时平帅，恰到好处，可简洁谋和。||另有两种走法均负：[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]！||巧着。由此可见第6回合车五进三的妙处（给红帅创造了活动空间）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]！||另有3种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]黑将无法占中，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]双方不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]！||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_13]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_16]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]……||殊途同归[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_30]！||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_14]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_14]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_17]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_11]？||原谱和诠注本都以此为正着，实误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_26]！||这是白宏宽棋友利用象棋软件找到的取胜妙招。||原谱误走后卒平６，帅五平六，卒６平５，帅六平五，后卒平４，帅五平四，卒５平６？兵九平八……黑方攻法不当，演变下去，红兵可以及时遮挡将头而和。||笔者曾认为改走前卒平６可胜，实际亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_47]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_31]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_24]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]！||红幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_18]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_35]兵遮将头，炮守双卒和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_12]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_14]黑卒快，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_3]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_12]！黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_3]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_10]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_3]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_9]……||与正局殊途同归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_9]
[DhtmlXQ_open]A00 非常见开局[/DhtmlXQ_open]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]！||抢先之着，刚柔并济。其他走法红方都容易应付：[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2012-5-19 09:16:58

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]！||另有3种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11]！||这是笔者创新的着法，阴沉有力，借捉卒抢得一先，可以谋得和棋。||另有两种走法均负：[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]！||此时平帅，恰到好处，可简洁谋和。||另有两种走法均负：[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]！||巧着。由此可见第6回合车五进三的妙处（给红帅创造了活动空间）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]！||另有3种走法：[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]双方不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]黑将无法占中，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]双方不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]！||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_34]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]……||殊途同归[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_30]！||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_30]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment20_17]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_17]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment28_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_11]？||原谱和诠注本都以此为正着，实误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_26]！||这是白宏宽棋友利用象棋软件找到的取胜妙招。||原谱误走后卒平６，帅五平六，卒６平５，帅六平五，后卒平４，帅五平四，卒５平６？兵九平八……黑方攻法不当，演变下去，红兵可以及时遮挡将头而和。||笔者曾认为改走前卒平６可胜，实际亦和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment34_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_40]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment35_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_46]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]！||红幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment49_35]兵遮将头，炮守双卒和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_35]
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喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 11:26:09

dave7788 发表于 2012-5-19 07:00
已经解决——

第七回合黑改走车4平8炮二平三（应炮二进四将4进1车四进四将4退1车四退四两不可变成和）车8进7以后黑可胜，但车7平5劣着，造成红幸和。

yjr123 · 发表于 2012-5-19 12:05:14

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-5-19 11:26
第七回合黑改走车4平8炮二平三（应炮二进四将4进1车四进四将4退1车四退四两不可变成和）车8进7以后黑可胜 ...

“炮二进四将4进1车四进四将4退1车四退四两不可变成和”

真的两不可变吗？请看19楼。

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 12:25:15

yjr123 发表于 2012-5-19 12:05
“炮二进四将4进1车四进四将4退1车四退四两不可变成和”

真的两不可变吗？请看19楼。

红主动求变，结果胜了吗？

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 18:04:55

第五回合黑改走车4平8炮二平三车8进4（应车8平4）帅四平五车8平4车五进七车4进1帅五进一，一向这么判和。末着改走车五平四，红胜。

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 18:28:19

原着法未揭示的前卒平4胜法，十七年前就已有人知道；较好的新着法也早已有人再三写过，而结果乃如此！是个人的悲哀呢？还是大家的悲哀呢？

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 20:22:31

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-5-19 11:26
第七回合黑改走车4平8炮二平三（应炮二进四将4进1车四进四将4退1车四退四两不可变成和）车8进7以后黑可胜 ...

更正：括号里红车四进四，黑将4进1方为两不可变局面；黑将4退1，红除车四退四外，尚可车四退六吃卒，结果也和。

yjr123 · 发表于 2012-5-19 20:29:24

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-5-19 18:28
原着法未揭示的前卒平4胜法，十七年前就已有人知道；较好的新着法也早已有人再三写过，而结果乃如此！是个人 ...

没有看懂，什么意思啊？

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 22:08:17

yjr123 发表于 2012-5-19 20:29
没有看懂，什么意思啊？

抱歉！我不会操作。那路着法属劣中劣，本也无探讨的必要。主要结论都已正确，只须整理好着法。您说过“务虚，沽名钓誉”的话，我懂，别人恐未必懂。我该怎么说呢？握个手吧！我们都枉费过心血。

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-19 22:24:53

yjr123 发表于 2012-5-19 20:29
没有看懂，什么意思啊？

我将“过昭关”红九路兵去掉，再将黑7路卒移后一格，另起名“坐断东南”，有兴趣的话，你们可自行摆弄，我自己早已记不清着法。

喜上眉梢 · 发表于 2012-5-20 00:17:19

本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2012-5-21 00:21 编辑

dave7788 发表于 2012-5-19 07:00
已经解决——

谢谢白兄！我不反对你们诠正“过昭关”，谁做都一样，只是有些事情------不说了。握个手吧！

dave7788 · 发表于 2012-5-20 07:25:25

本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2012-5-20 11:57 编辑

第6回合红车五进七原谱着法是误作和棋，实际为黑胜。6.车五进三！卒7进1；7.车五平四（帅四平五和棋无疑，此局显得简单了。7车五平四？车4平8？！{车4进5！可形成挺熟悉的局面}8.炮二进四，将4进1；9.车四进四，喜上眉梢提出的此着进车照再退车，确实比车四退二要好)

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