马炮兵小局（请求验证）

湖艓

红先

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湖艓

请教各位老师 不知此局能胜否

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高原红

试解！ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9931999949999984999911999999104099996432515220416063309999181743[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]847263627264604064435150111462631020635314541828494817274847283854572728575853564364565464725455728455568463281858885686881886361819383919183626185826565857392947482939575956575958575658573929484929195759565859195828494828294847293919293938292338334748334323334353334353544353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]383947482829585953544364505164725150728450518463515059552919558519295464858129196371646181615051716351501929618129196371[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_61_2]29593858474858575958575658575654575654535654[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_61_2] [/DhtmlXQ]

湖艓

试解！[/quote] 如果这样呢

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高原红

如果这样呢[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9931999949999984999911999999104099996432515220416063309999181743[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]84726362726460406443515011146263102063531454172749482737545818194849374758595356436456586472585672845658846358565919563619153635152535454959453559584737585737385747382847482818252935392927393748473736272936394737182829093949090349430333281837471828474828183337434637874686878818194849192988892919891986164948165619135653134353544353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_20_1]383947482829585953544364505164725150728450518463515059552919558519295464858129196371646181615051716351501929618129196371[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_20_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_3_61_2]29593858474858575958575658575654575654535654[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_61_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3]1828494817274847283854572728575853564364565464725455728455568463281858885686881886361819383919183626185826565857392947482939575956575958575658573929484929195759565859195828494828294847293919293938292338334748334323334353334353544353[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_4]373163425051474840702757[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_63_5]33394346398946864748868789882829484987868889291989198636191336331323334323334353334353544353[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_63_5] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_52_6]3121272330312353[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_52_6] [/DhtmlXQ]

聨吟客

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迟暮寒士

试解！[/quote] 回复3楼高原红老师着法： 3楼原着第10步，黑方列了 炮6进3 和 卒4进1 两种着法，如果黑方不走这两种着法，改走卒3进1，不知红方有什么办法。如下： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title][/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9931999949999984991199104099999960412032515264999930631718439999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8472636272646040644351501114626310206353145418284948172748472838545727285758535643645654647254557284555684632818588856868818[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]3839474828295859535443645051647251507284505184635150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_2]2829[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment20] 炮6进3,3楼原着。炮给红马让路，之后红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_comment27]红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27] [DhtmlXQ_comment28] 如果改走卒3进1，红方好像依然没什么办法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [DhtmlXQ_comment31]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_20] 卒4进1,3楼原着。之后双卒被红炮控制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] 双卒被控制，只有走炮，给红马让路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] 卒3进1，新变。之后黑方用底卒走闲棋，不知红方以下有什么手段（马不能动，炮打不到卒）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

湖艓

回复3楼高原红老师着法： [/quote]是的 我记得当时正遇着卒3进1 无可奈何 很可能要改局？！

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9. [DhtmlXQ_comment3_20] 炮6进3,3楼原着。炮给红马让路，之后红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
10. [DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
11. [DhtmlXQ_comment3_28] 如果改走卒3进1，红方好像依然没什么办法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
12. [DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
13. [DhtmlXQ_comment1_20] 卒4进1,3楼原着。之后双卒被红炮控制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
14. [DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] 双卒被控制，只有走炮，给红马让路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]
15. [DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]
16. [DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] 卒3进1，新变。之后黑方用底卒走闲棋，不知红方以下有什么手段（马不能动，炮打不到卒）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]
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杨启忠

回复3楼高原红老师着法： [/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9931999949999984991199104099999960412032515264999930631718439999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]847263627264604064435150111462631020635314541828494817274847283854572728575828295852535447575434525134545181545381893848895948585758293959533949535649394355[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_2]535643645654647254557284555684632818588856868818[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_2][DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]3839474828295859535443645051647251507284505184635150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] 炮6进3,3楼原着。炮给红马让路，之后红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]红马跳到理想位置。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_28] 如果改走卒3进1，红方好像依然没什么办法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_20] 卒4进1,3楼原着。之后双卒被红炮控制。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] 双卒被控制，只有走炮，给红马让路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]3楼原着，以下红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment20] 卒3进1，新变。之后黑方用底卒走闲棋，不知红方以下有什么手段（马不能动，炮打不到卒）。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3]293957583949818838395857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_3][DhtmlXQ_comment21]这样呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment21] [/DhtmlXQ]

迟暮寒士

[/quote] 我也想到红方炮打士这一招，但是原局这一招究竟如何（哪一方胜？在原局中是否精彩？）还未仔细研究，只是初步构想在9.5位加一黑卒，在一四位加一红兵。红炮打黑士之后，红炮压将头，红马缠住黑炮的同时伺机踩掉黑卒，然后红兵过河。还有，为了给红方压力，还设想在1路原位摆一个黑卒。

zhaodi

我拆解的和棋。

湖艓

谢谢各位老师的讨论 原局可能真的和了 希望王老师能按您的思路 改成红胜局

湖艓

迟暮寒士 发表于 2015-1-24 12:21
我也想到红方炮打士这一招，但是原局这一招究竟如何（哪一方胜？在原局中是否精彩？）还未仔细研 ...

这样修改可以吗
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湖艓

我想保留一路线畅通 若炮6进x 则马五退三
但九路兵（与3路原位卒共存的情况下）似乎帮不上什么忙
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