【游戏局】车双马兵能困毙士象全吗？

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:27:44

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 14:34:46

解释一下，1、这个铁士象不同于让车局的铁马炮和让双马局的铁中兵。士象可以随意走动，红方在任何时候都不得吃子。2、红方不能将死黑方，只可以困毙。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-8 17:43:18

[/quote] 如果黑方撑起两个羊角士，红方想困毙是很难的。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 10:36:55

高原红发表于 2014-12-8 23:40

9楼思路正确，走到31回合，看到了胜利的曙光。
51、52回合应退士。
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 10:41:14

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-9 16:25 编辑

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:00:05

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 12:17

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:15:06

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 16:28:57

估计会有速胜，60回合以内应该没问题。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 19:21:17

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-9 21:12 编辑

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 21:39:31

补充变化：
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:18:14

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 21:14

好像还不对，这样如何速胜？
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:27:46

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-9 22:34 编辑

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 22:14

23楼还能速胜
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 22:43:47

黑方应该有更顽强的走法，
看来找到双方最佳着法还不容易。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:10:44

哦，我是说这样不能速胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:16:46

中兵和边兵基本可以确定能困毙，只是最佳着法还要费脑筋。
兵在三、七路就很难了。黑方可以在河口放一铁象阻挡红兵过河。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-9 23:43:23

高原红发表于 2014-12-9 23:35
可以再探讨一下！自娱自乐很开心！

应该有办法过，红方要玩一出捉放曹的游戏，步数会很多。
软件完全帮不上忙了，全靠脑力

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-10 11:40:43

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-10 13:19:46

高原红发表于 2014-12-10 12:59
只有将黑将赶到兵的另一边，兵才能渡河！
如在同一也则：

对，所以前面要走很多步数，兵过河后还要再困一次黑将。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-10 21:44:29

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-11 14:53 编辑

17回合黑方不动士为好，步数较多。
红方还需调整走法
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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-11 13:09:31

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 04:09:08

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-12 13:05 编辑

高原红发表于 2014-12-11 22:25
是否应这样走！

29回合象５进７比较好。
32回合将6平5不妥，车九平六再马一退二困毙。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 13:04:57

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 13:25:52

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-13 21:26 编辑

按照方权老师29回合车六平九的走法，能走到百回合之内。
我觉得红方最佳走法应少于80回合。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 14:43:47

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-13 21:24 编辑

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-14 09:46:12

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-14 09:51 编辑

高原红发表于 2014-12-14 03:44
第72回马四退五家3退5，在平兵……即困死了！

方权老师意见正确。
58回合应车五平六更快。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-14 11:42:08

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-14 20:30:07

高原红发表于 2014-12-14 16:07
第61回应该这样走！还可速胜！

72回合了，和我最开始的推测很接近
这局棋最佳着法估计就是70回合左右。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-15 19:29:27

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-17 10:56 编辑

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-17 10:44:13

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-12-17 10:59 编辑

高原红发表于 2014-12-17 01:59

几个变化都是75回合。
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