新拟困子局（还未命名）

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-12 16:48:43

这几天研究困毙局的棋友和帖子较多。如果把对方的强子全部围困之后，再设计一套着法去杀棋，就要废点脑筋了。下面这局棋费了我一天时间，没吃没喝没睡，终于在众多的方案中，找到了可行的方案。觉得还还算说得过去。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]（未命名红先胜）王甸冰拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]0123999938999970993959006683869926402032304182528009484749636879[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 请有兴趣的棋友试解一下，红先胜。稍后待我整理好着法后，再贴出详细着发。

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 19:19:56

试解！没有难度。底兵设计很巧妙！管住了车、炮两大子。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]0123999938999970993959006683869926402032304182528009484749636879[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]（未命名红先胜）王甸冰拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]01315231231126215950415070513241001009293979473738372925797248427252826483736858736380606373252866655848656428266463608086858060858460808483806083824232828132426362607073724232727170606261483861602636374732121020[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_52_1]36265250[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_52_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_2]63648373685886855848858425248474242574648060645442325444253537473525444348584333324247375848333221111020[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_2] [/DhtmlXQ]

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 19:56:32

3路象可放出来活动！或另设在啥地方以增加难度。试调一下可增一着！ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]0111999938999970993959006683869926400232314182528009484749636879[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]（未命名红先胜）王甸冰拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]]

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-12 20:37:40

回复2楼高原红棋友：您在第9步，把着法做了两个分枝，第一个分枝与我所拟着法基本一致，三兵捉死黑车。（第9步黑不进卒，不飞象，走前卒平6较好，诱红兵吃象）第二分枝中，第10步红方没有进兵吃象，正合我的设想。但之后红兵向中路平移，好像行不通。第16步黑重炮将，红帅平五（若垫兵，前炮平2抽底兵），下一步黑应该后炮平5将，再把马跳出，红不能胜。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-12 20:44:07

3路象可放出来活动！或另设在啥地方以增加难度。试调一下可增一着！ ][/quote] 把黑象摆在1路，这种方案考虑过了。在此局中，黑边象会被红方利用，红方第8步炮二进七，黑退炮挡，红可炮打边象速胜。谢王老师为本局改进提高。

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 20:54:24

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 21:54:49

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 22:18:01

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-12 22:20:07

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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 22:37:13

7楼黑优，局面很散，8楼黑胜无疑。[/quote] 正确！看来还是要加兵才行！

高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-12 22:57:38

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快乐每一日 · 发表于 2014-12-13 00:25:09

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快乐每一日 · 发表于 2014-12-13 00:27:09

高原红发表于 2014-12-12 21:54
这样黑长杀是否该黑变。不变作负。
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 03:11:29

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-12 20:54

谢星海友提醒指正！这个变着之前也想到过，但原以为红方炮六平七就可简单解决，所以没深思。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 03:23:49

快乐每一日发表于 2014-12-13 00:27

回复快乐一日，7楼局面按照高王老师的走法，确实是黑方长杀犯规，按照你的走法，黑方可以避免长杀求和。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 04:17:17

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-12-13 04:32 编辑

快乐每一日发表于 2014-12-13 00:25

12#在11#王老师改正的局面的基础上，提高了几着：如果黑方向中路走9路卒，红方必须要先过一路兵挡车，再进九路兵长驱直入取胜。目前，该局局面是本局最佳方案。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-12-13 15:46:05

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-12-13 20:48:21

這樣看看

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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 21:44:07

象棋法官发表于 2014-12-13 15:46

多谢法官大人参与本案的审理。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 21:45:18

聨吟客发表于 2014-12-13 20:48
這樣看看

多谢联吟客棋友参与本局的探讨。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-13 21:51:06

吸取以上棋友的着法和意见，又研究了很长时间，有两种可行方案。
第一种方案如下：
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请棋友们先试解一下，继续给予支持，

★星海★ · 发表于 2014-12-13 22:35:53

联吟客改局成功。21楼黑胜

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-14 10:11:29

★星海★ 发表于 2014-12-13 22:35
联吟客改局成功。21楼黑胜

我认为黑方不能胜，但红方好像也不能，见下楼着法。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-14 10:30:39

棋友王方权老师例举的向中路平兵的着法虽然不成立，但也给我提供了一个思路。据此，我设计了两种方案。

第一种方案，如楼上棋局所示，着法如下：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15] 炮四进六，关键！|| 如果走其他子，黑炮5平4拦红炮，红不能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17] 相五进三，关键！|| 如果迟一步飞相，黑卒7进一，之后红方再飞相扩大红帅活动范围，黑7路卒可过河，红不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47] 注意！不要误走兵四平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52] 若炮3平4重炮照将，则兵五平六反捉后炮，红速胜。|| 又若车9平8，帅五平六，再兵五进一，与主着同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95] 红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment95]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49] 若兵五平六，前炮平2，抽杀底兵，红劣不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_52] 红劣不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_52]
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现在，我突然发现行不通，黑方在第33步、37步、41步、45步时，可以车3平2吃马。

第二种方案，局面和着法如下：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15] 炮四进六，关键！|| 如果走其他子，黑炮5平4拦红炮，红不能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17] 相五进三，扩大红帅活动范围，同时仍可控制7路黑卒，关键！|| 如果迟一步飞相，黑卒7进一，之后红方再飞相扩大红帅活动范围，黑7路卒可过河，红不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53] 注意：不可误走兵四平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62] 若炮3平4重炮照将，兵五平六反捉黑炮，红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65] 进士，事先做好防守，必要。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67] 飞相，事先做好防守，必要。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75] 红进中兵，取胜在即。|||| 以下黑有炮4平8、炮4平6、炮4平3三种救急措施，皆无济于事。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87] 红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_78] 若车7进4跟炮，则帅五平六，炮6平4，炮四进四红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_83] 红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_83] 红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_55] 若兵五平四，则前炮平2抽杀底兵，红劣不能胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58] 黑马跳出，红劣不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
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这第二种方案目前还没发现问题，可靠性较高。

对以上两局，请棋友们审阅检查，提出疑点，指正错误，以及改正方案。

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-14 10:45:56

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2014-12-15 21:27 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2014-12-13 20:48
這樣看看

联吟客棋友的改正局，关键在第11步，红方必须及时走兵一平二塞象眼，不让其象9进7，以利用黑象封阻9路。很妙。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment21] 关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51] 红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33] 红劣和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
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高原红 · 发表于 2014-12-14 16:57:49

本帖最后由高原红于 2014-12-14 17:03 编辑

第二方案也不成立！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]    炮四进六，关键！||    如果走其他子，黑炮5平4拦红炮，红不能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]    相五进三，扩大红帅活动范围，同时仍可控制7路黑卒，关键！||    如果迟一步飞相，黑卒7进一，之后红方再飞相扩大红帅活动范围，黑7路卒可过河，红不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]    注意：不可误走兵四平五。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_62]    若炮3平4重炮照将，兵五平六反捉黑炮，红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]   进士，事先做好防守，必要。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_67]    飞相，事先做好防守，必要。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_75]    红进中兵，取胜在即。||||    以下黑有炮4平8、炮4平6、炮4平3三种救急措施，皆无济于事。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_87]    红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_78]   若车7进4跟炮，则帅五平六，炮6平4，炮四进四红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_83]    红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_83]    红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]    若兵五平四，则前炮平2抽杀底兵，红劣不能胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]    黑马跳出，红劣不能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2014-12-15 22:04:12

高原红发表于 2014-12-14 16:57
第二方案也不成立！

面对一座被围困得严严实实的孤城，两个小兵竟不能从正面攻破，确实没想到。
看来，只有从侧面外围进攻了，有两种战略战策，一种是单兵从其右侧，直插敌后薄弱之处，如12楼13楼18楼棋友们所改的局面（局面都成立）。另一种是三个兵从其左侧齐进，生擒城外守敌，如2楼所列的主着（局面不成立）。

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