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标题: 车马炮兵立体攻杀之冷着杀! 林洪原著 象棋天使校正 [打印本页]

作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-25 20:22
标题: 车马炮兵立体攻杀之冷着杀! 林洪原著 象棋天使校正
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-25 20:24
此局发表于2013年《棋友》杂志5、6期合刊上。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-26 08:58
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-26 08:59
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-26 09:01
[/quote] 建议红方增加九·三位相即可按原谱招法取胜。
作者: 高原红    时间: 2014-12-26 11:09
个人认为该局不是加子。应是帅在六.一位即可!
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-26 18:47
那1樓的局這樣走會如何 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999921439945999999998699996030504142992899029999992358[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车马炮兵立体攻杀之冷着杀![/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4535[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]這樣較頑強,變化複雜o[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2014-12-26 19:26
那1樓的局這樣走會如何[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999921439945999999998699996030504142992899029999992358[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]车马炮兵立体攻杀之冷着杀![/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]45350232435341525343282935393231[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]這樣較頑強,變化複雜o[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]585949390232355532315553413221333141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-26 19:44
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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2014-12-26 19:52

作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-12-27 09:40
黑胜局,哪里有冷招?3楼红先炮五平四,黑车3进1,请问红怎么走?7-8红一样输。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 11:39
菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-12-27 09:40
黑胜局,哪里有冷招?3楼红先炮五平四,黑车3进1,请问红怎么走?7-8红一样输。

正因如此,所以才要校正!
作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-12-27 11:39
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 11:39
正因如此,所以才要校正!

原来如此。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 11:42
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-26 19:44
解成黑勝,然否?

第一回合黑卒3进1即杀!
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 11:43
高原红 发表于 2014-12-26 11:09
个人认为该局不是加子。应是帅在六.一位即可!

这样更经典。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 11:45
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 11:47
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 11:45

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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-27 12:52
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 13:24
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-27 12:52

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 13:34
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 13:24

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 13:39
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 13:34

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 14:08
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 11:42
第一回合黑卒3进1即杀!

怎麼殺呀??呵呵呵
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 14:40
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-27 14:08
怎麼殺呀??呵呵呵

车五平四  是照将呢?如卒3进1,就犯规了。因为有照将时另一方必须想法子应将,不是吗?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 14:45
是你說卒3進1殺的, 不是我, 請問黑怎麼殺呀?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 14:49
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 14:40
车五平四  是照将呢?如卒3进1,就犯规了。因为有照将时另一方必须想法子应将,不是吗?

車五平四,我走的是進士,有問題嗎?你怎麼會走卒3進1呢?還說即殺咧, 怎麼殺呀?
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-27 14:51
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 15:45
本帖最后由 象棋天使 于 2014-12-27 15:52 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-27 14:45
是你說卒3進1殺的, 不是我, 請問黑怎麼殺呀?

如果你那么走怎么会没问题,红方可以走炮直接杀王呀![DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 15:48
接25樓話題,原來天使的意思是說黑被紅殺,但用黑卒3進1即殺的文字會讓人以為是說黑即殺了紅,所以敘述時要注意詞句 避免被誤會,呵呵呵,而且紅叫將黑當然必須應,也不可能胡亂走其他子,天使這種討論方式實屬多餘,建議回應別人帖子時要注意,否則對方以為你是來亂的喔
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 15:50
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-27 14:49
車五平四,我走的是進士,有問題嗎?你怎麼會走卒3進1呢?還說即殺咧, 怎麼殺呀?

你进士怎么会没问题?因为我先走炮五平四  你如士5进6是不是送将,不要命了?
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 15:53
我什麼時候走過27樓的走法?天使兄看清楚好嗎?別張冠李戴
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 16:00
我和天使兄從頭到尾討論的是9樓的走法吧, 天使兄呀 ,頭腦該清醒了吧,請把咱兩所有對話再仔細看看吧
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 16:06
杨启忠 发表于 2014-12-26 19:26

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 16:12
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-27 16:00
我和天使兄從頭到尾討論的是9樓的走法吧, 天使兄呀 ,頭腦該清醒了吧,請把咱兩所有對話再仔細看看吧

喔,原来如此,谢谢指教!
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 16:21
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-26 19:44
解成黑勝,然否?

解成黑胜,可以呀!所以说才要修改棋图,是不是?谢谢啦。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-12-27 16:22
呵呵呵,天使 終於弄清楚了吧?嗯, 原局黑勢強有多種勝法
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-27 17:01
聨吟客 发表于 2014-12-27 16:22
呵呵呵,天使 終於弄清楚了吧?嗯, 原局黑勢強有多種勝法

多谢指教。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 11:21
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-27 12:52

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作者: dave7788    时间: 2014-12-28 11:26
本帖最后由 dave7788 于 2014-12-28 11:49 编辑
高原红 发表于 2014-12-26 11:09
个人认为该局不是加子。应是帅在六.一位即可!


分析的对!是印错了棋图。印刷错误以及笔误,是书刊中常见的事情。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 11:56
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-27 16:06

此局原载黄少龙著《怎样打造象棋杀局》P161-163第125局武俊强VS林宏敏实战中局,现轮到黑方走棋:
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 12:10
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-28 11:56
此局原载黄少龙著《怎样打造象棋杀局》P161-163第125局武俊强VS林宏敏实战中局,现轮到黑方走棋:

当黑方走到第11回合时,贸然平卒吃马,实误。虽然最后黑胜(因红方认输),但是我认为有点牵强。因为红方毕竟也有和局机会的。请老师们解拆解拆!
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-28 13:26
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-28 11:21

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 13:35
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 13:26

红胜不了呀!依然是黑胜。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 13:36
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 13:26

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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-28 13:55
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-28 13:36

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]黑劣变?||红大优![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]以后变化较多,红优势胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]以后变化较多,红优势胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_27]
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 14:26
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 13:55

第16回合走卒9平8  黑胜。
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-28 14:33
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-28 14:26
第16回合走卒9平8  黑胜。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]黑劣变?||红大优![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]以后变化较多,红优势胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 14:45
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 14:33

这样红方能和吗?  第19回合续走卒9平8  ,你解拆看看。
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2014-12-28 15:14
象棋天使 发表于 2014-12-28 14:45
这样红方能和吗?  第19回合续走卒9平8  ,你解拆看看。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]红胜![/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 15:26
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 15:14

第14回合黑方续走卒7平6  可以和吗?红酒先生。
作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2014-12-28 15:26
一杯红酒 发表于 2014-12-28 15:14

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