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标题: 新拟的和局请改进。谢谢! [打印本页]
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-1 22:25
标题: 新拟的和局请改进。谢谢!
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-9-2 05:26 编辑

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 22:52
是否漏擺了黑子?
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 22:57
這樣連殺
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 23:03
車三平四也連殺,估計時老師貼棋圖時 漏擺黑子
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 23:12
是不是這樣
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 23:31
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-1 23:57
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-9-2 00:31 编辑

好像成立
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-2 00:04
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-2 00:08
添個低卒看看
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-2 00:24
8樓先弄一變,不一定正確,以待各位修正補充
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-2 00:45
聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-2 00:24
8樓先弄一變,不一定正確,以待各位修正補充

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 05:19
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-9-2 05:30 编辑
一杯红酒 发表于 2015-9-2 00:45

谢谢联吟客老师！我1楼贴图时，误把黑车贴成了红车。对不起！
您在5楼的棋图才是正确的。
谢谢一杯红酒老师！

最先拟出的是下面这局：
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后改成的棋图：
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 08:04
各位老师：昨天20150901 22:25 发帖时刚刚下班回到家（还发错了），我把发这个主题帖的前因后果说一下。
先说12楼：2局都可成和。哪为什么还要把上图改成下图？

因为上图的尾盘，如果黑方就是不用双卒换一红车，会出现僵持局面。

改成下图为什么还要老师们改进？

原因有2：
1 尾盘红马吃掉黑车，会怎样？
2 红方吃掉黑车也可以在黑边象位吗？
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 08:12
其实，我当初是想新拟一则我钟爱的将帅和。

为了说明我的思路，以下局面全都不能成立。我设想的很丰满，但结果是很骨感。

将帅和最初的想法：

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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 08:16
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-9-2 12:53 编辑

梦想被击破：
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当然，红方还有更加快捷的速胜法。见注解。
作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 08:24
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-9-2 08:38 编辑

我想15楼的尾盘也不错，能不能利用一下。我就开始了改拟的苦旅（反复增删或调整子力位置，特别是黑卒的位置），直到现在没能成功。

暂时改变一下吧，于是就产生了12楼的2个局面。
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-2 10:32
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-2 11:46
9樓走法,是否正確呢
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-2 12:04
15樓添卒可否?
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-2 12:26
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-9-2 12:39 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-2 12:04
15樓添卒可否?

联吟客老师：这个局面我也试过，是红胜。当红车吃掉黑车后，黑方要遮挡红帅露脸。

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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-2 16:27
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-3 14:42
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2015-9-3 15:13 编辑

感謝時老師指導,下圖是否可以實現20樓的構想,但太簡短,還可添卒改進,有空再說
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-3 15:04
喔,22樓我不是要設定將帥和, 而是排出符合這個走法的局面,當然將帥和的創作與修改難度更大,不過我比較著重符合走法設計方面,因為成功的機會較大,至於將帥和就有待時兄或其他高手們努力了

22樓還可改進,但將帥和就不是我努力的方向了
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-3 23:27
22 樓添卒  94位
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-4 17:02
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作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-4 17:32
本帖最后由 一杯红酒 于 2015-9-4 17:33 编辑

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      形成的尾盘局面，有未知性，也就是可以在尾盘阶段让客户任选红黑，摊主（仔细研究过的）几乎都有把握赢到客户，如果尾盘一方明显无胜局，或守和有较明显的走法、道理、成例，这尾盘就不是好的尾盘，或者达不到红黑任选，和棋算客户胜的要求！


作者: ★星海★    时间: 2015-9-4 19:40
聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-4 17:02

11回合可走将5退1
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-4 19:55
★星海★ 发表于 2015-9-4 19:40
11回合可走将5退1

這樣
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2015-9-4 20:34
sdndsx 发表于 2015-9-2 08:16
梦想被击破：

这样修改可维持14楼着法，但形不成将帅和棋的想法。
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-5 11:13
邢春波 发表于 2015-9-4 20:34
这样修改可维持14楼着法，但形不成将帅和棋的想法。

設置 二路底兵的作用為何?   請指導
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-5 13:00
我明白了
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作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-5 16:11
21——31楼的回复；
感谢 一杯红酒、联吟客、星海、邢春波 四位老师的分享和支持！

作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-5 17:04
邢春波 发表于 2015-9-4 20:34
这样修改可维持14楼着法，但形不成将帅和棋的想法。

谢谢！您贴出的局面有显著的突破！离 将帅和 只有一步之遥！
作者: 邢春波    时间: 2015-9-5 18:54
聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-5 13:00
我明白了

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-6 08:11
感謝邢兄指導, 您的改局已經非常好了
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2015-9-6 08:16
還有紅酒兄的改局是最 複雜的
作者: 一杯红酒    时间: 2015-9-6 10:10
聨吟客 发表于 2015-9-6 08:16
還有紅酒兄的改局是最 複雜的

谢谢陈先生的肯定，我是喜爱江湖局的，导向复杂，给摊主留下公平拿下客户的空间，富有弹性（与有人要求的紧凑相背）是我想要有的；但从排局角度来讲，还是邢春波先生定型的改局好，机巧、紧凑，全局一气呵成、酣畅淋漓！当然楼主原局也是一个好的底子，陈先生的改局也很值得玩味！

作者: sdndsx    时间: 2015-9-7 08:01
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