《炮兵残局探秘》部分棋局再讨论

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-25 09:36:12

近日得空，对拙著《炮兵残局探秘》进行了重新审查，发现了一些错误之处和可改进之处，现打算陆续在这里贴出，还请棋友们不吝指正！也欢迎大家多提意见和建议，如果将来再版的话（虽然概率很小，呵呵），可作修订。

yjr123 · 发表于 2016-3-7 10:48:30

这样需要几个回合？
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yjr123 · 发表于 2016-3-7 19:51:39

聨吟客发表于 2016-3-7 19:36
這樣是否速勝

速胜正确

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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-25 09:38:09

第158页“三仙炼丹”局，改成下图，我觉得可以减少一黑象，并增加一回合：
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pppp_97 · 发表于 2016-2-25 10:22:04

第4回合兵杀士是不是可以早胜

pppp_97 · 发表于 2016-2-25 10:26:19

不对，先送马胜不了

聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 11:33:29

pppp_97 发表于 2016-2-25 10:22
第4回合兵杀士是不是可以早胜

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 11:44:38

補充

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 12:01:57

修飾一下

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 12:12:30

雙象可

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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-25 12:22:28

欢迎联吟客讨论。
这个我也考虑过，单象情形红不吃黑士那一路胜法，是缓胜，非主变，所以觉得采用单象情形并以吃黑士为主变。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 12:51:01

這樣就成和局

,但就和局而論, 末段太容易,看能否再改進

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2016-2-25 13:05:16

天宇浪人发表于 2016-2-25 12:22
欢迎联吟客讨论。
这个我也考虑过，单象情形红不吃黑士那一路胜法，是缓胜，非主变，所以觉得采用单象情形 ...

我的看法是, 紅勝局最好保持唯一勝法, 唯一勝法優於有其他緩勝走法, 不管連殺局還是寬緊勝局,我個人觀點都是如此,交流參考參考,

當然雙象局是否唯一勝法的定義還有待商榷, 至少減少一種勝法

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-25 13:21:40

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谢联吟客的再次讨论，这条建议我会斟酌的。

再贴一局。第148页“步调井然”局我觉得改成下图好一点，整体子力上少一红相：

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-25 13:26:09

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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-26 08:09:39

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第10页倒数第11行“士5退4”应为“士5进4”，倒数第9行“士5进4”应为“士5退4”；
第11页第5回合黑“象7进9”应改走“将4退1”，否则红双马可在进攻中残去黑士象；
第40页第2行“马九退七”应改走“马九进八”更为紧凑；
第157页“引蛇出洞”局第2回合注释中“兵三平四”应为“兵二平三”（由棋友余卫东指出）；
第166页第31回合后的注释应放在第30回合后。

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-26 08:14:42

第153页“项庄舞剑”局布子改成下图可再增加一回合：
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古婺 · 发表于 2016-2-26 09:47:51

本帖最后由古婺于 2016-2-26 09:50 编辑

精益求精，不错！

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-26 10:14:13

古婺发表于 2016-2-26 09:47
精益求精，不错！

谢谢古婺兄的鼓励！
正好有一局的讨论和你有关，你在《象棋精巧实用杀法》第41页的“误入泉台”局是否是对拙作“薪火相传”局（《炮兵残局探秘》第46页）的改进？（华工网以前的帖子是http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6957 但图已经不能显示了）
我觉得这一改进非常好！以红相取代红兵的作用，更见柔软婉转，而且黑方布子可以更简练。
以后如有机会再版，想用你的这局“误入泉台”，不知可否？
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[DhtmlXQ_comment33]至此红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
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古婺 · 发表于 2016-2-26 10:28:06

天宇兄客气了，这局是在你最初论坛上发贴的时候我修改的，本来就是你的

，以后你若再版要采用，只管用就是了。

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-26 10:51:14

改局有时候也要花费很多精力的，所以如果再版的话，你的名字一定要加上的（合署两人的名字吧）。
言归正传，我觉得此局是否可以再精简一些，即黑士是否可以去掉？见下图：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-26 15:24:17

关于第一章第12节“排局小品的完善与提高”，昨天收到棋友寄来的一册《中国象棋“四明弈派”研究》，翻到第246页就知道，原来顾祖金老师早就对原局进行了提高完善，黑9路象已被加上（据介绍，原载《现代象棋排局荟萃》，江苏科学技术出版社1993年版），见下图：
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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看来我有点自作多情了，呵呵。唯一可以稍感安慰的是，拙著中提出将红马置于九·五位，能增加几个回合。

zhaodi · 发表于 2016-2-27 00:01:24

天宇浪人发表于 2016-2-25 09:38
第158页“三仙炼丹”局，改成下图，我觉得可以减少一黑象，并增加一回合：

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]防止下象[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5]584841324843756531414030515080614373644273704260506061407073406160506555737061405040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]也可[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15][DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]||红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
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陆兄的砥砺精神让我汗颜！相比之下我太懒惰了。

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-28 14:12:02

感谢赵兄的参与和指正！
看来“三仙炼丹”局还是要保留双象，如下图这样比原来增一回合，布子更美观一些：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-29 08:21:55

原书第142页“藕断丝连”局原着法是这样的：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment75]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment75]
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但实际前面几回合红可这样走：
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由于前段红炮节约了一步棋，这样到后面红就可不用通过等着来一相换双卒了。

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-29 08:25:33

红兵退后一步的话，就可达成原意了。
再思考，索性改成将红中兵摆在原位（原位显得自然、美观一些），黑将起始在二楼，如下图：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-29 10:23:27

全书开篇第一局（第2页），其本身就是从实战提炼出来的，改成下图可增加回合数：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-29 13:11:40

第41页图五，是一则非常著名的残局，见于《奕（弈）华新编》、《棋牌周报》、第39期《象棋报》、第90期《上海象棋》、《实用残局艺术探胜》、《巧势残局》等，图式略有不同，为已故华南名手黄保的一则实战残局（《炮兵残局探秘》中误为黄保生了）。结合《实用残局艺术探胜》一书第102、103页的内容，此局可以提炼为下图，即起始增加2回合，并且红方可减去2子，即红方单仕相即可：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-2-29 13:22:48

该页下图我拟的图六“千里会面”局，黑7路象应在1路，否则第5回合红可直接走马八进七，可以节省回合数。
另外从排局精简的角度来说，黑方可以去掉一士，因正常情况下，即黑炮自由时，双马尚不能保证必胜炮双象，所以炮单缺士足以保证在下图状况下逼红方想方设法去捕食黑炮，从而获得胜利：
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-3-1 16:23:35

第29页黑6路炮可以删去。

天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-3-1 16:26:33

本帖最后由天宇浪人于 2016-3-1 16:47 编辑

第50页图五删去一相，右侧马兵布子调整如下图，因我觉得原来的三路相只是用来走一步等着，意义不是很大。
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天宇浪人 · 发表于 2016-3-3 16:27:33

第3页图三增加一枚黑炮，着法增加3回合，我觉得是值得的：
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