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[排局诠正] 第017局 卒擅天下 少兵局

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发表于 2019-12-7 08:59:15 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-12-7 11:35 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]以这路为主变。把红车引到黑车和卒之间。||||其它变招是第一次拆棋作为和棋的。||||第二次拆解时发现了卒3平4的变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]再次拆解时的应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]黑胜定,下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]黑胜定,下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]目的是不让黑卒平4。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]黑胜。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 09:05:43 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_7]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]這種局面能和否?[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]大陸規則怎麼判?[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]能和否?[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]大陸規則怎麼判?[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_45]正著[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_53]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_53]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 09:11:49 | 显示全部楼层
这局是抖音很多直播间摆的。抖音有几个常摆黑胜棋的坑人主播,棋品很差。这棋我当时没特别去留意,以为是他们漏摆了九路红兵,后来很多人摆这局,才开始拆解。  

王首成的书中和聊吟客有一则相似局也一起发了。

这局还要请聊吟客和余俊瑞老师等高后来验证一下。我准备让网红象棋残局讲解主播从宽或棋疯子讲一下该局。
发表于 2019-12-7 10:00:39 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]以这路为主变。把红车引到黑车和卒之间。||||其它变招是第一次拆棋作为和棋的。||||第二次拆解时发现了卒3平4的变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]再次拆解时的应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]黑胜定,下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]黑胜定,下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]目的是不让黑卒平4。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]黑胜。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_22]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 11:22:05 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]不去挡炮。不走到黑车和卒之间,防止黑卒3平4的,黑虽可多进卒,但也少了炮9进1这步棋。||||防住黑卒3平4就可和。不怕兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]先走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]这步红没啥好步走。黑有空进卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]这步红也没啥好步走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]这样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]似可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]走等步好一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]还是放车后好了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]这样要和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]借打卒提前抢肋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]又回到原路了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]
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又在直播间整了半天,又似可和了。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 11:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
当初拆解时脑子上想着死挡住黑炮的思路。发现最后面可以不去挡炮, 不要让红车走到黑车和黑卒之间的横线,不让黑有卒3平4的机会,似可和。
发表于 2019-12-7 13:27:53 | 显示全部楼层
chouzhouyu 发表于 2019-12-7 11:22
又在直播间整了半天,又似可和了。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]不去挡炮。不走到黑车和卒之间,防止黑卒3平4的,黑虽可多进卒,但也少了炮9进1这步棋。||||防住黑卒3平4就可和。不怕兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_20]先走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]这步红没啥好步走。黑有空进卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_25]这步红也没啥好步走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]这样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_40]似可和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]走等步好一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]还是放车后好了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]这样要和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]借打卒提前抢肋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]又回到原路了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 16:02:14 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原谱乱七八槽的变招太多了,整理了一下,发个主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]当黑炮升到黑车和黑卒的横线之间时,红车不能再去挡炮了,黑再进炮后之后有卒3平4的棋,红再平炮后黑兑车,黑卒抢先占肋,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]如炮9进1,炮九退八,车4平5,车五退四,炮9平5,炮九平六,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69]
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发表于 2019-12-7 18:19:11 | 显示全部楼层

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]原谱乱七八槽的变招太多了,整理了一下,发个主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]当黑炮升到黑车和黑卒的横线之间时,红车不能再去挡炮了,黑再进炮后之后有卒3平4的棋,红再平炮后黑兑车,黑卒抢先占肋,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]如炮9进1,炮九退八,车4平5,车五退四,炮9平5,炮九平六,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 20:02:56 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]当黑炮升到黑车和黑卒的横线之间时,红车不能再去挡炮了,黑再进炮后之后有卒3平4的棋,红再平炮后黑兑车,黑卒抢先占肋,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]如炮9进1,炮九退八,车4平5,车五退四,炮9平5,炮九平六,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]如果红车去长拦炮,算不算长捉。不违例的话长拦可和。违例红变招要负。||||黑虽有长杀,但红有垫炮一着,是判杀吗。||||这步红不去拦呢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]??[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]改走这步。||||这样黑还可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_82]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_83]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_52]
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那这局红还可和吗。后面有个棋例。我现在对杀搞混了。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-7 23:51:54 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]如后车平六,卒3平4,车一平四(如车六平四,卒7平6,车四退一,卒5平6,帅四平五,车4平5,帅五平六,车5退7,车一平三,炮7平9,车三进一,卒4进1,车三平六,车5平4,车六平五,炮9进1,炮二进一,卒4进1,帅六平五,炮9平5,车五平四,卒4平5,车四平五,车4进5,车五进四,卒6平5,帅五平四,车4平6,炮二平四,车6进2,黑胜。),卒7平6,车四退二,卒5平6,帅四平五,卒6平5,帅五平四,炮7进9,车六退一,炮7平9,炮二进一,卒5平4,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]当黑炮升到黑车和黑卒的横线之间时,红车不能再去挡炮了,黑再进炮后之后有卒3平4的棋,红再平炮后黑兑车,黑卒抢先占肋,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]如炮9进1,炮九退八,车4平5,车五退四,炮9平5,炮九平六,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]直接走这步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]如果红车去长拦炮,算不算长捉。不违例的话长拦可和。违例红变招要负。||||黑虽有长杀,但红有垫炮一着,是判杀吗。||||这步红不去拦呢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]??[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_32]改走这步。||||这样黑还可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_82]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_83]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_52]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_52]
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chouzhouyu 发表于 2019-12-7 20:02
那这局红还可和吗。后面有个棋例。我现在对杀搞混了。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]当黑炮升到黑车和黑卒的横线之间时,红车不能再去挡炮了,黑再进炮后之后有卒3平4的棋,红再平炮后黑兑车,黑卒抢先占肋,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]如炮9进1,炮九退八,车4平5,车五退四,炮9平5,炮九平六,和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]如炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_37]如果红车去长拦炮,算不算长捉。不违例的话长拦可和。违例红变招要负。||||黑虽有长杀,但红有垫炮一着,是判杀吗。||||这步红不去拦呢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_29]??[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_32]改走这步。||||这样黑还可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_69]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_82]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_83]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_83]
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chouzhouyu 发表于 2019-12-7 20:02
那这局红还可和吗。后面有个棋例。我现在对杀搞混了。

红车不能吃炮,属于拦。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-8 18:19:53 | 显示全部楼层
昨天晚上又拆解了,暂定为黑胜。今晚拟一主变。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-8 19:37:25 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-12-8 23:25 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]增加一回合,这里有个陷阱,黑炮特意不去拦红炮,如红炮九退八,炮2进2,炮一平八,车4退2,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]以上才是必走棋。黑方如果不想红车在那个点,第5回合可升炮到其它位置,如炮7进6。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment43]增加两个循环回合,说明一下原因:不拦炮黑炮平移后升到与车同线再平中,有连杀的棋。不让老将与炮紧捘,是不让黑车平移捉炮。||||至此黑方车卒已调整好位置。以上一段红方也没啥好棋可走。基本上照这个思路被动的顽强防守。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67]红违例变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69]如炮九退一,车9平3,炮一退五,卒4进1,炮九进一,卒4平5,车五退四,卒6平5,帅五进一,车3进2,帅五退一,车3平1,黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69]
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第26回合黑车平7过渡可能快一点。不过红炮会不会刚好在三路啊。前面红方走闲时没怎么去注意。拆了几晚也懒的去分析了。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-8 22:14:13 | 显示全部楼层
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和我对拆的那个比我厉害多了。我整了40来个回合的主变。与他对拆30回合左右结束了。黑炮升7较快一点。后面红方走闲还是要一点技巧,可以多耗几个回合,黑方车卒调整好位置后,后面车炮过渡走法比我干脆利落。
发表于 2019-12-10 14:20:56 | 显示全部楼层
回10楼:
按你的着法应判长拦。和棋。
其实以下的着法是黑取胜的关键。
15.                       卒3平4
16. 车五退二         将4进1应这样走
17. 车五进三 杀     将4进1再这样走
18. 车五进一 要杀  将4退1
19. 车五退一 杀     将4进1
20. 车五进一 要杀  将4退1
21. 车五退三 只能变着,而红如不退车则黑有车平9或炮进9的棋。
                           炮1平9
22. 车五进二        将4进1
23. 车五进一        将4退1
24. 车五退一        将4进1
25. 车五退二        炮9进6黑胜定

回16楼:
红12回合可走炮八退一,后面着法是和局,但变化依然复杂。这和上面的黑胜结论就矛盾了。

总结一下:
此局变化在直播间是讨论不清楚的。
此局不能成和的关键是红缺了一只九路兵。致使黑炮从右平左后多了一路活动余地,而红棋也少了一只进攻的子力。

其实在华工网sdndsx的帖子中已讨论过了类似的棋图。
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=51922

这里还有一个可参考的地址,就是太乱了:
http://www.zgxqds.com/zixun_info.asp?id=68430
还是这句话:此局(大师网上的图)的变化在“象棋大师网”是讨论不清楚的(我录了二次。第一次有500变不到一点,第二次200变左右。都发不成功。)。而且楼主的态度和语气不太友好,所以就此作罢。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 13:01:48 | 显示全部楼层
后面黑方车卒调整好位置后车炮的过渡走法我也不是总结的很好。我这边棋谱也很乱。在直播间什么乱七八槽的变着都会走一下。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 13:02:46 | 显示全部楼层
沈济英大师帮我拟一路主变。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 13:04:01 | 显示全部楼层
或者你的棋谱发一下。乱点也没有关系。我这边慢慢整理打发时间为主的。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 13:08:07 | 显示全部楼层
走成长拦是当时我未找到黑方车和炮过渡的招法,后来找到了。就又重拟了一路主变。主变可能还是有问题。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 18:14:38 | 显示全部楼层
hzsjy 发表于 2019-12-10 14:20
回10楼:
按你的着法应判长拦。和棋。
其实以下的着法是黑取胜的关键。

16楼红12回合红走炮八退一,我拆解了一下还是黑方胜。你把和棋变化给我列一下。红车在这个位置是有点特殊。
发表于 2019-12-11 19:48:04 | 显示全部楼层
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回19楼:
现在没有大师,都是爱好者。以后的大师是计算机。

在华工网sdndsx的帖子中已讨论过了原始局面的棋图
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?
mod=viewthread&tid=51922
此图首着如走兵五进一则是黑胜,如走后车平六则是和棋。只是变化太多了。

如上的棋图的着法还有一个可参考的地址,就是太乱了:
http://www.zgxqds.com/zixun_info.asp?id=68430
还是这句话:此局(大师网上的图)的变化在“象棋大师网”是讨论不清楚的(我录了二次。第一次有500
变不到一点,第二次200变左右。都发不成功。)。而且楼主的态度和语气不太友好,所以就此作罢。


我在下面发一个兵五进一可以和的图着:(您在主题上的棋图与着法我也排演过,但其着法已被我删除,
所以不能贴出来。)。只是变化太多,只能以附件方式上传,将此棋库文件从压缩文件中提出放到象棋桥的cbl文件夹中即可




卒擅天下的改局.zip

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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 20:19:10 | 显示全部楼层
刚才看了下聊吟客的那个贴子,黑炮退底的变化好象没有。后面就涉及到棋规的局面。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 20:57:30 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-12-11 21:01 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]这步退车的位置是否有问题。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
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这个局面如果黑方选择炮退底的话肯定能够走成,红车在那个中兵位很特殊。黑3路卒好象只能进一步就被迫中断了。黑取胜好象是很难。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-11 22:03:09 | 显示全部楼层
上面第1回合黑车退1应该有问题,改走车退4。
发表于 2019-12-12 13:52:46 | 显示全部楼层
chouzhouyu 发表于 2019-12-11 20:57
这个局面如果黑方选择炮退底的话肯定能够走成,红车在那个中兵位很特殊。黑3路卒好象只能进一步就被迫中 ...

没有看懂25楼首着为什么不进3路卒?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_1]这步退车的位置是否有问题。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_4]这一循环可能很有用。目前还不清楚。主要是红炮如退底,黑炮必须马上进2。后面平士角再后面给黑炮平边借红炮作炮架的杀招预先做一下准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_4]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_6]这步是沈济英提出的,认为可能和。我就接下去拆了一上,感觉黑方取胜是难。||||回16楼:||红12回合可走炮八退一,后面着法是和局,但变化依然复杂。这和上面的黑胜结论就矛盾了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]红车在那个位置还是不动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]相同局面。黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]
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 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-12 17:30:26 | 显示全部楼层
25楼是把该局定位黑胜之后。最后双方想怎么快一点胡乱下了一下,很随意。最开始拆解时因为红方没有办法阻止黑方调整车卒的位置。红炮就一直放在二路线防止黑卒往下走。沈济英提了红方可炮八退一走和后我就分析了一下这对局。感觉车4退1有问题。

当时发贴时还不知道是那步有问题。后来发现车4退1有问题后就在原贴上重新编辑了一下,在那里加了个说明。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-12-12 17:31:16 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢余老师和沈老师提出的一些改进招法。
发表于 2019-12-12 18:16:36 | 显示全部楼层
chouzhouyu 发表于 2019-12-11 20:57
这个局面如果黑方选择炮退底的话肯定能够走成,红车在那个中兵位很特殊。黑3路卒好象只能进一步就被迫中 ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]这步退车的位置是否有问题。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_4]这一循环可能很有用。目前还不清楚。主要是红炮如退底,黑炮必须马上进2。后面平士角再后面给黑炮平边借红炮作炮架的杀招预先做一下准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]这步不管先炮进2还是先进卒一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_6]这步是沈济英提出的,认为可能和。我就接下去拆了一上,感觉黑方取胜是难。||||回16楼:||红12回合可走炮八退一,后面着法是和局,但变化依然复杂。这和上面的黑胜结论就矛盾了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]红车在那个位置还是不动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]相同局面。黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]黑胜实战。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
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