大征西小退车一路变化

chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-16 15:13:08

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑车捉炮局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]老卒左移局||||王首成对征西局的新解[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]研究这个局面是否黑胜。||||这是以往书中的一路和棋招法。王首成后来黑方有了一步改进招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]在各著作中未发现走该着。在王首成的著作中走炮三进九，并提及该着不可取。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]这样不知怎样取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14][FEN=4c1C2/4k4/9/9/9/9/9/3KBR3/1r7/5p3 w - - 28 32]相似局面。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]下步再走炮进1过渡一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]似也不能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]此局面待拆。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]相似局面红车四退二黑胜。现吃卒以后红还是要违规负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]红违规，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红违规。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]黑能胜吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_11]在其它变招中拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_10]还是采用该招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]相同局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_21]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_7]以往书中的谱招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_9]黑再退回守呢？||||各著作无该变招法，但在杨明忠的版本注解中提到了该变。王首成版本上一回合黑直接车8平2。杨明忠是车8平7成和，并提及如果黑如直接车8平2，红可退炮回防。||||原注（上一回合车8平7的注解）：黑方先平车捉炮,使红炮不在三路,防止平车2 路后红方有炮三退八的防卸手段,从而使红方子力不协调,增加红方谋和难度.[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_12]王首成对征西局的新解||||以往书刊走其它着成和。王首成首次走该着，认为黑胜。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_12]旧谱着法，成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_9]红平帅六路局[FEN=4c4/9/4k4/9/9/9/6r2/4BR3/5K3/3p3C1 b - - 17 27]（相关局面）[/FEN]：||||各种书刊以往都走帅五平四成和。这路变化未提及。王首成帅五平四认为黑胜后加了这路变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_12][FEN=4c4/4k4/9/9/9/9/9/3KBRC2/1r7/5p3 w - - 30 33]相似局面。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment35_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]取胜的关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_76]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]下同主变，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_42]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]得相，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_90]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_92]黑速胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_94]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_94]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_92]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]最后,形成黑车炮必胜红中路单车高帅的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_34][FEN=4c1C2/5R3/4k4/9/9/9/9/4BK3/7r1/4p4 w - - 32 34]相同局面，黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment49_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_13]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]王首成认为这样才和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-5-16 20:04:11

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑车捉炮局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]老卒左移局||||王首成对征西局的新解[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]研究这个局面是否黑胜。||||这是以往书中的一路和棋招法。王首成后来黑方有了一步改进招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]在各著作中未发现走该着。在王首成的著作中走炮三进九，并提及该着不可取。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_11]这样不知怎样取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_14][FEN\u003D4c1C2/4k4/9/9/9/9/9/3KBR3/1r7/5p3 w - - 28 32]相似局面。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment18_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_18]下步再走炮进1过渡一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]和？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]似也不能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]此局面待拆。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]相似局面红车四退二黑胜。现吃卒以后红还是要违规负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]红违规，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]红违规。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]黑能胜吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_11]在其它变招中拆解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]还是采用该招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_17]相同局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_21]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_12]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_7]以往书中的谱招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_9]黑再退回守呢？||||各著作无该变招法，但在杨明忠的版本注解中提到了该变。王首成版本上一回合黑直接车8平2。杨明忠是车8平7成和，并提及如果黑如直接车8平2，红可退炮回防。||||原注（上一回合车8平7的注解）：黑方先平车捉炮,使红炮不在三路,防止平车2 路后红方有炮三退八的防卸手段,从而使红方子力不协调,增加红方谋和难度.[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_12]王首成对征西局的新解||||以往书刊走其它着成和。王首成首次走该着，认为黑胜。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_12]旧谱着法，成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_9]红平帅六路局[FEN\u003D4c4/9/4k4/9/9/9/6r2/4BR3/5K3/3p3C1 b - - 17 27]（相关局面）[/FEN]：||||各种书刊以往都走帅五平四成和。这路变化未提及。王首成帅五平四认为黑胜后加了这路变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_12][FEN\u003D4c4/4k4/9/9/9/9/9/3KBRC2/1r7/5p3 w - - 30 33]相似局面。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment35_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]取胜的关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_76]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]下同主变，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_42]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]得相，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_90]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_92]黑速胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_94]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_94]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_92]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]最后,形成黑车炮必胜红中路单车高帅的局面.[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_60]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_34][FEN\u003D4c1C2/5R3/4k4/9/9/9/9/4BK3/7r1/4p4 w - - 32 34]相同局面，黑胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment49_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_13]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]王首成认为这样才和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_5]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-5-16 16:20:33

没有王首成的书，不知道具体着法，但此局面的黑胜结论不一定成立。

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chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-16 16:35:31

黑方将退1后取胜方法列一下。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑车捉炮局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]老卒左移局||||王首成对征西局的新解[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]研究这个局面是否黑胜。||||这是以往书中的一路和棋招法。王首成后来黑方有了一步改进招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]以往书中的谱招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]王首成对征西局的新解||||以往书刊走其它着成和。王首成首次走该着，认为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]红是一将一捉吗？进车是捉兼兑炮的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]第一种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]第二种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]第三种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]第四种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]第五种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]黑胜。类同本变36回合车四退四时第五种着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_50]黑方可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]旧谱着法，成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]红平帅六路局[FEN=4c4/9/4k4/9/9/9/6r2/4BR3/5K3/3p3C1 b - - 17 27]（相关局面）[/FEN]：||||各种书刊以往都走帅五平四成和。这路变化未提及。王首成帅五平四认为黑胜后加了这路变化。||||下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]王首成认为这样才和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
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chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-16 16:54:54

王首成对这一变的研究见于棋艺2006年第一期。不知怎么上传图片

dave7788 · 发表于 2021-5-16 18:41:50

原来有炮三平五之着成和
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑车捉炮局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]老卒左移局||||王首成对征西局的新解[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]研究这个局面是否黑胜。||||这是以往书中的一路和棋招法。王首成后来黑方有了一步改进招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]王首成对征西局的新解||||以往书刊走其它着成和。王首成首次走该着，认为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]红是一将一捉吗？进车是捉兼兑炮的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]第一种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]第二种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]第三种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]第四种着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]黑胜。类同本变36回合车四退四时第五种着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_50]黑方可胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]旧谱着法，成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]红平帅六路局[FEN\u003D4c4/9/4k4/9/9/9/6r2/4BR3/5K3/3p3C1 b - - 17 27]（相关局面）[/FEN]：||||各种书刊以往都走帅五平四成和。这路变化未提及。王首成帅五平四认为黑胜后加了这路变化。||||下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]王首成认为这样才和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment33]正着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33][DhtmlXQ_comment39]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]第五种着法正确！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21][DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_7]552519595848595725274232[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_7]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_21]656046566858566660506669[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_21][DhtmlXQ_comment7]以往书中的谱招。正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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dave7788 · 发表于 2021-5-16 18:45:29

楼上第17回合红方炮三平五新诠本全都没有看到，所以误作黑胜啦

chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-16 19:19:19

白老师的诠正着法正确。

chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-17 07:17:39

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑车捉炮局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]老卒左移局||||王首成对征西局的新解[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]研究这个局面是否黑胜。||||这是以往书中的一路和棋招法。王首成后来黑方有了一步改进招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]在各著作中未发现走该着。在王首成的著作中走炮三进九，并提及该着不可取。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]还是采用该招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]红违规，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_5]王首成认为这样才和。下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_5]
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chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-5-18 08:46:30

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[DhtmlXQ_comment5]杨明忠提出该变黑胜。未提供着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]有相同局面，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_5]杨注（江湖流行排局精选）：正着，如改走车四进二或炮三进一，均负。||||下略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_5]
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zhaodi · 发表于 2021-6-1 15:26:01

chouzhouyu 发表于 2021-5-17 07:17

回复9楼，第7回合，相五进七是败招。

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